they will not because they are ones that dont want it to end and always see lots of deer.i dont believe word any of them say they are reason we have few deer.
these type of hunters are reason my hunting area is ruined.

So you know the type of hunter I am by what I write. HMM then you should be a millionaire if you can read minds. I see plenty of deer in 2G on public and private. Just for your info in the past 5 years I have killed 2 doe thats it. Spent those 5 years trying to get my son deer and he has done pretty well at it 5 since he has been hunting. 3 of those on public ground in 2G. 1 in Bald Eagle state park to be exact and my cousin got 1 there as well. We saw deer all day I passed up a small doe the last Sat. there wasnt what I was looking for. The others on state forest land. So if I were the type of hunter you think I am I would have shot it then bragged about it. Like I said find the food and cover find the deer. I dont care if its a mile back in or 50 yds back in if those 2 things arent there then the deer wont be either. You no deer crowd simply cant handle the truth nor do you want to take the time to learn anything. I dont agree with everything the PFC does and I have sent mail and emails on things I didnt like. I just have no trouble finding deer.

Dale to quote you "Like I said find the food and cover find the deer. I dont care if its a mile back in or 50 yds back in if those 2 things arent there then the deer wont be either." And I couldn't agree more. The problem is the PGC keeps alloting anterless tags in WMUs that just don't have the deer they say are in them. And another culprit is DCNR. They would like to see a zero deer population. That plus there are vast tracts of mature timber on state forest land that should be cut. It is so old in areas that the trees are dying and rotting away. The solution is to section the wooded tracts, cut the mature timber. This allows for new growth which brings in game such as deer, grouse, turkey, bear, etc. because there is more feed. The way I see it, its a win - win solution. But you will not see any of this happen which is sad.
Personally, I am not opposed to shooting anterless deer in areas where there is a sustainable population. In fact, I would encourge it.
But you can't look at the numbers the PGC is throwing out there and honestly believe them.

i have friends that just cant kill enough deer so they head to the BALD EAGLE PARK to kill more.they have stateland here in clinton county cleaned out.
these TYPES are reason of very few deer left not habitat.
in my area i hunt now i got 20 amish moved in,kill everything.
now they are competing with 20 mexicans that moved into same area.

these folks will kill EVERY doe they see.

anyone that says they see PLENTY of deer in wmu2g on stateforestland is just plain not telling truth .

many that are liers.

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Be careful what you wish for. The best mountain I have to hunt is loaded with oaks and really inaccessable. It was a large tract that was owned by a company and sold to the GC about 12 years ago. The first thing they (GC) wanted to do was "Improve" it. That is Game Commission speak for rape all the good lumber off and plant invasive species. Thank God the only access they have can not be used to bring in heavy logging equipment. I have been hunting in West Virginia for about 20 years. When I started there a clear cut was done on top of the one mountain. There is nothing but scrap to this day growing there from the stumps. Within about 4-5 years it was above browse level and probably is in the 10-15 foot high range now (My estimate). I went through it a couple of times over the years and once it was above browse level, it was like a desert for deer sign. The "Old rotten trees" you see are stricken with blight, parasites, and disease. There is hardly a food source in the woods that deer use that is not under attack from something. Destroying what is left won't help. Some of the best areas I have hunted burn off every few years but leave the mature trees. Maybe that is the answer.

Gunplummer, having a degree in forestry I have to tell you that there is a wrong way and a right way to harvest trees. One is a total clear cut like you described. But you can also do what is commonly called a selective clear cut. This is where certain 'seed' trees are left standing such as oaks and beech. Once the canopy is open, the lush undergrowth and grasses are the first to come back. These attract the game. Then as time passes, what acorn and nuts that are not consumed by the animals begin to generate and saplings sprout. Granted it takes a long time for oaks to bear fruit. But the other 'scrap' as you call it (black birch, maples etc) provide excellent browse for deer. And because they are relatively fast growers they can sustain a fair population. The good thing about these trees is for the most part they have a short life cycle.

That is a bunch of nonsense. The fast growing scrap is above browse level so fast it is almost worthless and it chokes out the other trees coming up. That spot in West Virginia I described is mostly scrap coming out of stumps. It gets 15-20 feet high and dies and falls over. Some people think it is acid rain, I don't know. All I am sure about is the forests of Pa. are dieing and the deer have little to do with it. It all sounds good in a book, but times have changed. When the GC wants people to think that semi or clear cutting works, they dump tons (Literally) of lime on the area and spray herbicides to slow down what they don't want to grow. I am willing to bet they seed it with grasses too. I don't know how old you are but I remember seeing 50-60 deer the first day. The crazy thing is now that there are almost no deer running the mountains the woods is dieing and thinning out faster than ever.

That was my statement originally. The forests are dying of old age. And, its 'not a bunch of crap". But another option is a good controlled burn.
BTW, I am almost 60 so I do remember the days when you would see lots of deer. But if you remember, back then you were only allowed to shoot one deer a year - period.

you are right.we made sure we had doe in our area so we had buck next year.
just opposite today. idiots shoot all doe then they say, I ALWAYS SEE LOTS OF DEER,YOU MUST BE BAD HUNTER OR DONT GO WAYBACK.:fighting0007:

i have no trouble filling all my doe tags and dmap tags,LOTS OF DEER.
disgusting bunch of hunters we have today,.

I would like to see where a Pennsylvania forested mountain is dieing of old age. A 3 foot thick oak is just getting started. The trees can't beat the diseases and are in real trouble when they are 2 foot thick. The problem is the scrap trees are able to fight off a lot of the diseases and insects killing the good timber. If you get over to Hickory Run State Park, check out the stands of oak and beech in there. Allegedly that place burned so many times they just about gave up on it. I was up there the other year and I saw the infestation (Forget what it is called) attacking the Hemlocks. Some of the beech trees have the blight, most of the oaks that took the gypsy moth hit are down and gone, but something else is after them. Excuse me, but I am really pissed off at the GC and DNR in Pa. We told them something has been attacking the laurel for years and they talk down to you and say it is the deer eating it. Well NOW, the laurel has a blight. I guess they could not see the orange spots on the leaves 15 years ago because of all the deer in the way. The forests are dieing off but it is not from deer or old age.

All that nonsense about the herd being out of balance. In the heavy wooded areas I actually think it was 50-50 buck to doe 40 years ago. Only a 3 day doe season but it was a slaughter. Enough to keep up with the buck kill. If you shot a young doe it was a good chance it was a button buck. Now it is screwed up beyond belief (And maybe repair) in a lot of places. What in the world makes people think there should be more buck than doe in a herd? I used to think the GC was God when I was younger. Like everything else in this country they are nothing but paper pushers anymore. I doubt they could manage a hot dog stand even with the DNR helping.