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Gunplummer 05-17-2012 05:21 PM

You don't know what you are talking about. Somehow it went from old growth trees to deer again. You actually make sense until you discuss forestry.

bronko22000 05-18-2012 09:42 AM

Gunplummer I believe you may have seen huge oak trees 6' + in diameter being cut in residential areas. But understand how long it takes a tree to get that big. Hundreds of years. And most of PA's state forest land was cut back some time in the 1800s and early 1900s. In fact, Williamsport was a major logging town at one time. So you will not find these huge trees anymore. And as for them dying of old age. You do realize there are over 400 types of oak trees I hope. Those growing in the wilds of PA are mostly white, red and black oak. Some areas have the typical scrub oak that doesn't grow more than 20' tall. The whites have the longest livespan and can live 500 - 600 years if undisturbed. Normal livespan however is about 100 yrs. The red and black oak have an aerage life span of about 75 years. So if the forest were cut in the 1800s and early 1900s then yes they are dying of old age. (some also from disease and predation such as the gypsy moth). So why not cut them leaving some for seed, allowing the undergrowth to start and provide a healthy habitat for game. Those mature timber stand are worthless for holding game. Deer are mostly browsers which is what they eat most of the year. The acorns and other nut that drop in the fall are eaten mostly for the fat content to get them thru the winter.

c-rad 05-18-2012 09:58 AM

Yea Tundra you can't fix how people hunt. People I hunt with think I am nuts because I drive 1500 miles to hunt there and won't shoot does or a young big racked buck. But I will drop a scrub rack in a second. They don't understand the concept of if you leave certain deer go the next year will be better. You can't change that because they been thinking like that for so many yrs.


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