an E-mail i received from an anti..crossbow guy
07-15-2010 | 07:34 AM
#21
Nontypical Buck
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Bob, I understand your belief that an increase in participation, will increase harvests, but that could easily be addressed by adjusting the amount of issued tags and if they are not filled how can that hurt #s?. Think about it like this, in NY we get DMPs (doe management permits), some zones you have very little, or no chance of getting one, in others, like where I live, you are guaranteed 1 or 2 ,but rifles or at least sluguns & scoped muzzleloaders are legal in almost all zones. see, my point is tags should be whats uses to manage the deer harvest, not restricting weapons. Sorry if I came off jerky though
, weapons restrictions/gun control in this state is a sore subject for me .
, weapons restrictions/gun control in this state is a sore subject for me .My ONLY consideration is the health of the herd to protect hunting for my children/grand chldren. There are several ways to adjust deer kill. Tags, as you point out will do so, so will changing either season length or changes to allow more hunting chances.
I am 100% for anything (well within reason) that allows more people the chance to hunt! All I am concerned about is with ANY change made, you want to be able to track the effect of the change. Simple as that. then if the effect is not what you wanted, or had side effects, you can adjust.
In the case of allowing crossbows, great. My guess is that this will increase participatoin which will increase deer kill. By tracking the weapon used, either via a tag, a season, or simply requiring the weapon used to be on the registration (we have requried registration), then you know if the deer kill changed by "x" and the only change made was "y". Then "y" caused "x". You'd probably have to track over multipel seasons to remove weather etc. variables.
If the "x" change resulted in a good "y" we are all set. If "x" caused a bad "y" or a side effect of "z" that overrules "y", then you know what to adjust.
So in your area, you say you want to increase the deer kill. Great. Add crossbows. Now did you increase the deer kill? If not, change tags, season length etc. If you increased it more than desired, you know it was the crossbows, so now decide what to change to reduce it a bit, that could be tags, season length or some article of any weapon.
the point would be, you make a change, see the effect of the change, and adjust.
If you add crossbows AND increase tag allocation, you don't have a solid understanding of what caused the change.
07-15-2010 | 02:31 PM
#22
Spike
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 37
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From: Long Island,NY
Told you we were closer than you thought!
My ONLY consideration is the health of the herd to protect hunting for my children/grand chldren. There are several ways to adjust deer kill. Tags, as you point out will do so, so will changing either season length or changes to allow more hunting chances.
I am 100% for anything (well within reason) that allows more people the chance to hunt! All I am concerned about is with ANY change made, you want to be able to track the effect of the change. Simple as that. then if the effect is not what you wanted, or had side effects, you can adjust.
In the case of allowing crossbows, great. My guess is that this will increase participatoin which will increase deer kill. By tracking the weapon used, either via a tag, a season, or simply requiring the weapon used to be on the registration (we have requried registration), then you know if the deer kill changed by "x" and the only change made was "y". Then "y" caused "x". You'd probably have to track over multipel seasons to remove weather etc. variables.
If the "x" change resulted in a good "y" we are all set. If "x" caused a bad "y" or a side effect of "z" that overrules "y", then you know what to adjust.
So in your area, you say you want to increase the deer kill. Great. Add crossbows. Now did you increase the deer kill? If not, change tags, season length etc. If you increased it more than desired, you know it was the crossbows, so now decide what to change to reduce it a bit, that could be tags, season length or some article of any weapon.
the point would be, you make a change, see the effect of the change, and adjust.
If you add crossbows AND increase tag allocation, you don't have a solid understanding of what caused the change.
My ONLY consideration is the health of the herd to protect hunting for my children/grand chldren. There are several ways to adjust deer kill. Tags, as you point out will do so, so will changing either season length or changes to allow more hunting chances.
I am 100% for anything (well within reason) that allows more people the chance to hunt! All I am concerned about is with ANY change made, you want to be able to track the effect of the change. Simple as that. then if the effect is not what you wanted, or had side effects, you can adjust.
In the case of allowing crossbows, great. My guess is that this will increase participatoin which will increase deer kill. By tracking the weapon used, either via a tag, a season, or simply requiring the weapon used to be on the registration (we have requried registration), then you know if the deer kill changed by "x" and the only change made was "y". Then "y" caused "x". You'd probably have to track over multipel seasons to remove weather etc. variables.
If the "x" change resulted in a good "y" we are all set. If "x" caused a bad "y" or a side effect of "z" that overrules "y", then you know what to adjust.
So in your area, you say you want to increase the deer kill. Great. Add crossbows. Now did you increase the deer kill? If not, change tags, season length etc. If you increased it more than desired, you know it was the crossbows, so now decide what to change to reduce it a bit, that could be tags, season length or some article of any weapon.
the point would be, you make a change, see the effect of the change, and adjust.
If you add crossbows AND increase tag allocation, you don't have a solid understanding of what caused the change.
However, it boils down to hunters accurately reporting their kills.
Advances in the technolgy regarding compound bows has certainly made a difference although its impossible to tell. How many archers hunt with traditional bows (not many). In line ML's have made a difference also, how many people hunt with traditional ML's?
Will the NYSDEC have a separate tag for crossbow kills or will they include it on the archery tag?
I would imagine that the DEC would not care as long as deer are killed and the generics for the weapons of choice will remain the sme.
