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Old 03-02-2010, 09:10 PM
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"Trillium, that is one of the many plants that is finally coming back in the PA forests."
Hip hip hooray!.....

But seriously, In this area, Id never seen it leave. Didnt have the entire benches covered with the nonsense as is the case now, but it had always been here. Excessive unnatural levels of useless wildflowers at the cost of our deer herd. Gee, thats a swell trade-off. lol.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Potterco
No it isn't funny at the least! What it is, is yet another offical lying and getting caught . How many times now in the past 10 years or so have PGC officals been caught up in their own lies? once or twice you could write it off as ****y politicing but when it's done over and over again by the very officals we hunters pay to keep fed it is anything but "pretty funny".
Unfortunately,,,this is the trend of all forms of U.S. govt,,,corruption has ruined this country forever! My question to you guys in "the know" is,,,how much ecological damage is all this mining for gas going to do to the areas in which are being mined? I have to admit,,,when i read about all the money going to be pocketed i lost interest in gaining knowledge about this marcellus shale gas,,,since we all know that wealth overrides any damages incurred
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:42 AM
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Rem this much I can tell you for certain; Across the road from my property a well was dug...the reclaimation ponds were dug (2 huge holes) the entire 200yds circle was stripped of all topsoil...the well came up empty!. The well was capped off an within a few months the water pumped out of the holes and they were filled in...the topsoil replaced and reseeded...now there is a round clearing in the woods about 200 yds across with lush green grass growing in it...except for that an the access road pushed into the area you'd never know there was anything done to the area.
Just what happens to all the water they pumped out of those holes I'm not certain.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by moosemike
I'd say the PGC is finally making an attempt to responsibly manage the state. For the last half of the last century they fouled it up. You like to talk about Trillium, that is one of the many plants that is finally coming back in the PA forests. And tree seedlings are growing.

Are you really trying to say that the harvest of 150K buck and 238K doe in 1991 was an example of past mismanagement? Does that mean the 2008 harvest of 122K buck and 213K doe was also an example of mismanagement. Instead of just repeating PGC talking points you should educate yourself regarding the past DMP.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:29 AM
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I'm saying the forests in the northcentral needed to be able to recover. I was there, I saw the browse line. I saw the naked woods. It's alot different there now. The farmers in the southern portions of the state also needed some relief from too many deer.
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Cornelius08
Hip hip hooray!.....

But seriously, In this area, Id never seen it leave. Didnt have the entire benches covered with the nonsense as is the case now, but it had always been here. Excessive unnatural levels of useless wildflowers at the cost of our deer herd. Gee, thats a swell trade-off. lol.
From what I've read on the little white flowers, even ecoweenie naturalists admit that the plant will never be found in great abundance with even moderate deer numbers in an area. They simply love the stuff, so it takes very few deer to impact it. If they are seeking benches covered in the stuff, the only way they'll achieve it is by maximum herd reduction indefinitely. On a positive note, it might make a pretty place to have a picnic! LMAO
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:19 AM
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C'mon guys. We all know it's not really about one little white flower. It's about forest regneration, crop damage and homeowners garden and landscape damage.

The audit has shown that forest regeneration data, as presently gathered, isn't showing the expected results. That has to be addressed ASAP but the constant rants about trillium and hobblebush aint helping a thing.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by moosemike
I'm saying the forests in the northcentral needed to be able to recover. I was there, I saw the browse line. I saw the naked woods. It's alot different there now. The farmers in the southern portions of the state also needed some relief from too many deer.

But reducing the herd in 2G has resulted in a decrease in regeneration from 45% in 2005 to 38% in 2008. Can you explain why that happened after more than 15 years of herd reduction in 2G?
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:26 AM
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I'm not aware of this decrease of regeneration.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
But reducing the herd in 2G has resulted in a decrease in regeneration from 45% in 2005 to 38% in 2008. Can you explain why that happened after more than 15 years of herd reduction in 2G?
Can you explain why there are now so many tracts where the canopy still exists that are now full of lush vegetation where it formerly was devoid of plant life on the forest floor?
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