Legal in PA? 3/side
12-10-2009 | 08:20 AM
#62
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if that bro point was SMOOTH to the bone, i would not have shot it.i would EXPECT the wco to arrest me. but seeing that bro point sticking up close to 1 inch, i would have.now if that was little 1.5 yr old deer,young face and body, i would have passed on him but its rare to see horns like that on young buck, i guess it could happen but not likely.
12-10-2009 | 08:39 AM
#63
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Unless the point was broken after the buck was shot, it doesn't matter if why the point was less than 1". The 1" law makes no exception for broken points.
If common sense prevailed we would not have ARs in PA and we wouldn't be discussing whether that rack is legal.
12-10-2009 | 08:44 AM
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you are right blue,its 1 inch.question is left to WCO if he would arrest, some would, some will not.like my cousin,he arrested a woman for speeding.she was OVER 15 MPH,on speed.he showed she was only over speed limit by 5 mph because she could not see speed sign clearly in fog,she said.
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12-10-2009 | 08:46 AM
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I see your point about the intent and purposes of AR....What of the occasional mature, older buck that has either broken some or most of his tines, or just developed into- say a large, four point rack. (I have seen this myself twice. One was actually a large spike that was 5 1/2 years old.) If A hunter harvested a mature, 4 1/2 year old buck, field dressing near 200 lbs or more...that had large massive y's on both sides, and we penalize him for killing an obviously large and mature animal, as well as culling an inferior buck from the herd...an animal that was protected and given additional breeding opportunities expressly under our current regulation. I note with interest that some states now considering point based restrictions, are doing so hesitantly, as they are VERY concerned with any possibility of high grading their buck herd. I'd have to say, that in my opinion, there should exist a clause that would vindicate any hunter who upon delivering his buck to a WCO, could establish reasonably- due to body size, and other characteristics, that his buck was obviously age 3.5 or older, that he should be pardoned.
It would lay that burden of proof entirely on the hunter...challenging his ability in those rare opportunities, to age a deer on the hoof, and if he is correct, he would be vindicated. If his ability is lacking, he pays the fine. You can bet he would be darn sure, before pulling the trigger.
It would lay that burden of proof entirely on the hunter...challenging his ability in those rare opportunities, to age a deer on the hoof, and if he is correct, he would be vindicated. If his ability is lacking, he pays the fine. You can bet he would be darn sure, before pulling the trigger.
An antler spread has been generally accepted these days as a better way to protect young bucks but it's not perfect either. There are plenty of heavy horned, high tined 10-12 points out there that might not be 16" wide ( a common spread restriction minimum)
All that can be definitively said about any large scale antler restriction so far is that it works more often than not in alllowing bucks to get a year or two older. Splitting hairs over fractions of an inch simply makes no sense from either a law enforcement perspective or a management persepective and a WCO said so many pages ago.
12-10-2009 | 11:59 AM
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Splitting hairs over fractions of an inch simply makes no sense from either a law enforcement perspective or a management persepective and a WCO said so many pages ago.
12-10-2009 | 12:24 PM
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Should the IRS lein a guys bank account because he didnt report the fifty bucks he won in the office football pool?
Should the meter maid give you a ticket because the meter expired as you get into your car?
Why not just be honest about why you insist on keeping this up? It's obvious that you aren't advocating the strict enforcement of existing law but instead clinging to any way you can to attack a rule that you don't happen to like.
12-10-2009 | 12:29 PM
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12-10-2009 | 12:34 PM
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You're right, I don't like a law that punishes those that follow the law and rewards those that violate the law. And, I don't like a law that rewards rack hunters at the expense of the average hunter, while doing nothing to benefit the health of the herd.