Pa screwed, Econuts say NY, youre next.
07-25-2009 | 01:35 PM
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The biodiversity CC of northern hardwoods is less than 10 DPSM whether it is in a metro area the Catskils , western NY or the central section of NY state.
TL is a residential community in NC PA. Numerous communities in SE PA have resorted to sharpshooters to control the herd after increased doe licenses and extended seasons failed to reduce the herd.
TL is a residential community in NC PA. Numerous communities in SE PA have resorted to sharpshooters to control the herd after increased doe licenses and extended seasons failed to reduce the herd.
By RILEY YATES
The Intelligencer
Solebury has inked a more than $250,000 contract to winnow its deer population with sharpshooters.
The no-bid contract calls on the U.S. Department of Agriculture to kill whitetail deer, mostly at night, through the use of “suppressed rifles with high expansive ammunition, along with the aid of stands, vehicles, artificial light, night vision equipment and forward-looking infrared.”
The goal is to reduce crop and other property damage, as well as the risk of disease from today's large deer population.
The move makes Solebury the third community in the area to pursue deer control efforts, along with Upper Makefield and Lower Makefield, both of which are studying the issue.
Township manager John Granger said local farmers suggested Solebury contact the Department of Agriculture for the project. He said there was no need to put the work out to bid, since it is a professional service.
Under the agreement, approved in May by supervisors, Solebury will pay USDA's Wildlife Services $134,625 this year and $131,047 next year for the “wildlife damage management program.”
“It's expensive, but when you look at the investment the public is making for land preservation, it's pretty cheap,” Granger said.
Wildlife Services biologists will determine safe shooting locations, obtain written permission from landowners, and locate and shoot deer up to five days a week, from Monday night through Friday morning.
The contract comes after a series of population surveys by Wildlife Services found an average of 142 deer per square mile in Solebury, compared to a recommended 24 per square mile in the forest and up to seven per square mile in urban settings.
The deer population was estimated at 4,500, half of the roughly 9,000 people who live in the township.
The Intelligencer
Solebury has inked a more than $250,000 contract to winnow its deer population with sharpshooters.
The no-bid contract calls on the U.S. Department of Agriculture to kill whitetail deer, mostly at night, through the use of “suppressed rifles with high expansive ammunition, along with the aid of stands, vehicles, artificial light, night vision equipment and forward-looking infrared.”
The goal is to reduce crop and other property damage, as well as the risk of disease from today's large deer population.
The move makes Solebury the third community in the area to pursue deer control efforts, along with Upper Makefield and Lower Makefield, both of which are studying the issue.
Township manager John Granger said local farmers suggested Solebury contact the Department of Agriculture for the project. He said there was no need to put the work out to bid, since it is a professional service.
Under the agreement, approved in May by supervisors, Solebury will pay USDA's Wildlife Services $134,625 this year and $131,047 next year for the “wildlife damage management program.”
“It's expensive, but when you look at the investment the public is making for land preservation, it's pretty cheap,” Granger said.
Wildlife Services biologists will determine safe shooting locations, obtain written permission from landowners, and locate and shoot deer up to five days a week, from Monday night through Friday morning.
The contract comes after a series of population surveys by Wildlife Services found an average of 142 deer per square mile in Solebury, compared to a recommended 24 per square mile in the forest and up to seven per square mile in urban settings.
The deer population was estimated at 4,500, half of the roughly 9,000 people who live in the township.
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07-25-2009 | 03:39 PM
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The contract comes after a series of population surveys by Wildlife Services found an average of 142 deer per square mile in Solebury, compared to a recommended 24 per square mile in the forest and up to seven per square mile in urban settings.
07-26-2009 | 03:48 AM
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From: elmira ny
I have never seen in writing that the biodiversity in the three hardwood regions you stated as being less than 10dpsm. That would be some interesting reading.
07-26-2009 | 08:40 AM
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Hey I'm new to this end of the board but as a life long western NY resident i have to voice my opinion..
First of all its all politics... elected officials appointing cronies to further personal agendas and fattening there own wallets. NY in the last 40 years hasn't done a damn thing to make the deer herds healthier or more stable. Doe permits are issued without practical data to support the numbers in a given dmu. Our buck to doe ratios are so out of whack the heard could never be truly healthy.The proof is in the pudding just look at the mid western states and the success of their programs.
I have hunted the AD,Catts ,Subs of Buffalo and Rochester.Last year I hunted N.tonawanda for the first time with my son ... I was amazed at the huge crop fields and the small blocks of woods .. During the shotgun season ,after harvest I worked the woodlots and the first thing you notice is that there is very little under brush .Almost as if a grounds keeper has gone in and mowed every thing down to the ground...I can say perfect example of over browsing.. While crops can support Large deer herds .. after harvest there's little browse to support the deer herds, forcing deer onto urban housing and roads creating the nuisance the insurance company lobby against . Changes in hedgerow to hedge row farming of corporate farms would help a lot .All the insurance company wants is less deer and all the politicians want is the money . Until the state develops a better way to track deer populations on a smaller bases ,they will use a one size fits all approach to deer management , to line there pockets.
As sportsman we have to support our own agenda of quality deer management.. The only way we can do that is get with our own like minded groups and press our agenda by supporting the people sympathetic to our cause.
First of all its all politics... elected officials appointing cronies to further personal agendas and fattening there own wallets. NY in the last 40 years hasn't done a damn thing to make the deer herds healthier or more stable. Doe permits are issued without practical data to support the numbers in a given dmu. Our buck to doe ratios are so out of whack the heard could never be truly healthy.The proof is in the pudding just look at the mid western states and the success of their programs.
I have hunted the AD,Catts ,Subs of Buffalo and Rochester.Last year I hunted N.tonawanda for the first time with my son ... I was amazed at the huge crop fields and the small blocks of woods .. During the shotgun season ,after harvest I worked the woodlots and the first thing you notice is that there is very little under brush .Almost as if a grounds keeper has gone in and mowed every thing down to the ground...I can say perfect example of over browsing.. While crops can support Large deer herds .. after harvest there's little browse to support the deer herds, forcing deer onto urban housing and roads creating the nuisance the insurance company lobby against . Changes in hedgerow to hedge row farming of corporate farms would help a lot .All the insurance company wants is less deer and all the politicians want is the money . Until the state develops a better way to track deer populations on a smaller bases ,they will use a one size fits all approach to deer management , to line there pockets.
As sportsman we have to support our own agenda of quality deer management.. The only way we can do that is get with our own like minded groups and press our agenda by supporting the people sympathetic to our cause.
07-26-2009 | 08:42 AM
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Although I know you will disagree ,the article from the NY Times clearly states that the biodiversit CC for northern hardwood forests is less than 10 DPSM and the following quote supports that claim.
’s. There is a large body of scientific literature that documents impact
by white-tailed deer on ecosystem resources in the northern United States: this information is
reviewed comprehensively in a white paper written by Dr. Susan Stout, USDA Forest Service,
Northeastern Research Station (The Scientific Basis for Concern about Ecological Impacts of
White-tailed Deer in the United States).
Impact by deer on individual resources is a joint function of deer food preference, quality and
quantity of forage available, and plant species vulnerability to deer browsing. The most
susceptible plants are herbs and shrubs, which never grow out of the reach of deer, and which
may also have slow rates of spread and seed dispersal. These plants can be affected (become of
much lower abundance and vigor) when deer densities exceed 10 deer per square mile). At
higher deer densities (15-20 deer per square mile) a browse line appears: basically shrubs and
seedlings preferred by deer are eliminated and the woody understory is drastically thinned,
creating an open appearance that is associated with losses in bird species diversity and
abundance. Higher deer densities (20-30 deer per square mile) are associated with reduced
abundance of seedlings of preferred browse species and understory dominance by non-preferred
plants such as grasses, sedges, hay-scented and New York fern, and browse-resistant American
beech and striped maple seedlings
by white-tailed deer on ecosystem resources in the northern United States: this information is
reviewed comprehensively in a white paper written by Dr. Susan Stout, USDA Forest Service,
Northeastern Research Station (The Scientific Basis for Concern about Ecological Impacts of
White-tailed Deer in the United States).
Impact by deer on individual resources is a joint function of deer food preference, quality and
quantity of forage available, and plant species vulnerability to deer browsing. The most
susceptible plants are herbs and shrubs, which never grow out of the reach of deer, and which
may also have slow rates of spread and seed dispersal. These plants can be affected (become of
much lower abundance and vigor) when deer densities exceed 10 deer per square mile). At
higher deer densities (15-20 deer per square mile) a browse line appears: basically shrubs and
seedlings preferred by deer are eliminated and the woody understory is drastically thinned,
creating an open appearance that is associated with losses in bird species diversity and
abundance. Higher deer densities (20-30 deer per square mile) are associated with reduced
abundance of seedlings of preferred browse species and understory dominance by non-preferred
plants such as grasses, sedges, hay-scented and New York fern, and browse-resistant American
beech and striped maple seedlings
07-26-2009 | 03:45 PM
#37
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From: elmira ny
NYSmoker: That Tonawanda area, especially around Transit has some MONSTERS!! Frankly, if I was already in the area, I'd head a little East towards Walden and Gennesse { rt33}. Many of the property owners there will gladly allow at least bow hunting. Lot of damage thrpughout that region from deer. Your also correct about the doe tag issue. Insurance companies and their lobbysts are driving that train.
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07-26-2009 | 04:16 PM
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Western NY and vast Majority of Cental NY are reclaimed farm lands,and/or logged, logged, and relogged. The land can support far more than the 10dpsqm. LOL. Your true northern hardwood forests of NY, however are another story, and are already at that number or near it.
07-26-2009 | 04:53 PM
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From: Moravia NY USA
I'll sleep better now knowing BB is on the job in NY now as well.
Just let us know of any alter's or handle changes so we can follow your fight to save us. Lord knows we aren't capable of doing it without you.
Just let us know of any alter's or handle changes so we can follow your fight to save us. Lord knows we aren't capable of doing it without you.
07-26-2009 | 05:37 PM
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Just let us know of any alter's or handle changes so we can follow your fight to save us. Lord knows we aren't capable of doing it without you.