A pic of woods
07-21-2009 | 05:03 AM
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How many does PSM of suitable habitat,were harvested in TL in 2007 and 2008?[/quote]
In 2007 87 does and 8 bucks were harvested on 2100 acres.Last year,8 bucks and 142 does were harvested on about 2300 acres.
I honestly don't know the total acres of suitable habitat.We have 3500 acres of undeveloped land,two golf courses,and two lakes.The total acreage is 9500 acres.Most of the residential areas are still actually forested as there's a restriction on what trees can be removed from your property.
In 2007 87 does and 8 bucks were harvested on 2100 acres.Last year,8 bucks and 142 does were harvested on about 2300 acres.
I honestly don't know the total acres of suitable habitat.We have 3500 acres of undeveloped land,two golf courses,and two lakes.The total acreage is 9500 acres.Most of the residential areas are still actually forested as there's a restriction on what trees can be removed from your property.
07-21-2009 | 06:31 AM
#52
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Mike,we've been over this dozens of times.First of all,please bring up a post where I said deer are surviving from grazing on grass.I've never claimed that deer are primarily grazers.You're simply a flat out liar.The deer herd didn't crash years ago because we've had a series of very mild winters.On top of that,people feed the deer,eat the landscaping and lately have been sustaining themselves on the tree tops from the hundreds of acres that have been logged.We do have mortality however.In the spring of 2004,we found 5 dead,winter killed deer in one 76 acre patch while doing a popultaion census with PSU.In another area,we found 15 winter killed deer.I also have a picture of a winter killed deer that died in my friend yard last winter.The deer have definately destroyed the habitat in TL and I have the results of several years of browse impact surveys to prove it.Our pellet count survey also show that out deer herd is down below 50- dpsm from a high of 70 dpsm 5 years ago.Our harvests aren't even scratching the surface of what should be being recruited so something else is decreasing the herd.Recruitment this year is as bad as I've ever seen.
i said did you notify pgc,NO,did you take picture of 6 dead deer around feeder,NO.i could see if it was COUGAR alive running but what am i to believe when someone says this and above without some proof.i had to ask dad when they started the western clinton county sportsman club/kettle creek club if from 1915 on ,DIDYOU EVER SEE DEAD DEER FROM EATING CORN IN WINTER.He said,never .almost all deer and not many over my lifetime did i ever see dead,most were from bullet/arrow wound.to find 6 dead from eating corn is hard for me to believe.
07-21-2009 | 07:21 AM
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If that were the case the state should mandate all waste grain corn be cleaned up by farmers as it poses a health risk to wildlife. Of course, how dare we question the mighty QDMA? He was probably condemning the practice of feeding deer, yet in two months he will be perched in his box blind watching a dozen rack buck spar in his food plot. HYPOCRISY
07-21-2009 | 08:46 AM
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I honestly don't know the total acres of suitable habitat.We have 3500 acres of undeveloped land,two golf courses,and two lakes.The total acreage is 9500 acres.Most of the residential areas are still actually forested as there's a restriction on what trees can be removed from your property.[/QUOTE]
If you honestly believe a harvest rate of 29 DPSM in 2007 and a harvest rate of 42 DPSM in 2008, isn't reducing the herd, then just like RSB, you have no credibility. BTW, in 2008 the highest harvest rate in the state was in 2B with 14 DPSM and the lowest was 2G with 3.84 DPSM.
07-21-2009 | 08:56 AM
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I'm more than a little confused here, fellas. Doug if your pellet count showed less than fifty dpsm last year, and the harvest was 42 dpsm according to BB's math, than not only was the herd reduced in TL, it was damn near annihilated! ??????? So what is happening at TL? Inquiring minds want to know! LOL, JK.....I understand that deer will enter/ seek refuge in the residential areas (another 6000 acres). Safety zones make controlling deer in residential areas an archery only game, and even then it is tough. But you got to admit that a harvest rate of 42 dpsm has got to be having some of an effect on the undeveloped region.
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07-21-2009 | 09:10 AM
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Treasure lake is 14 square miles in size.Hunting is only allowed on a little more than 3 square miles of it.When we do the pelet counts,we do it over the entire property.Furthermore,the 50 dpsm is an overwinter deer density,not a pre season density.If we have 50 dpsm,that would equate to over 700 over winter deer.Asume we have an adult b/d ratio of 1/2.That would mean we have around 450 adult doe .If each doe only recruited 1 fawn,we would have to hill over 450 deer to keep the population stable.Killing 142 doe isn't even scratching the surface of recruitment even though recruitment is pizz poor.
07-21-2009 | 11:02 AM
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When we do the pelet counts,we do it over the entire property.Furthermore,the 50 dpsm is an overwinter deer density,not a pre season density.
If the herd hasn't been hunted for many years why wouldn't the B/D ratio be 1:1?
07-21-2009 | 12:13 PM
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Yes,we have six miles of transect lines that we have going through every type of habitat.
I don't know why the b/d ration isn't 1/1 but it's not and I'm not going to argue about it.Perhaps natural mortality and dispersal play a role.We're killing way more doe than bucks so who knows why.
I don't know why the b/d ration isn't 1/1 but it's not and I'm not going to argue about it.Perhaps natural mortality and dispersal play a role.We're killing way more doe than bucks so who knows why.
07-21-2009 | 01:37 PM
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Yes,we have six miles of transect lines that we have going through every type of habitat.
I don't know why the b/d ration isn't 1/1 but it's not and I'm not going to argue about it.Perhaps natural mortality and dispersal play a role.We're killing way more doe than bucks so who knows why.
I don't know why the b/d ration isn't 1/1 but it's not and I'm not going to argue about it.Perhaps natural mortality and dispersal play a role.We're killing way more doe than bucks so who knows why.
