The formula for allocating doe tags was applicable when we had established DD goals in DPSM for each WMU. Once they switched to managing the herd based on herd and forest health the goals were abandoned and therefore the old formula is no longer valid since there are no DD goals. Since they claim that they don't know how many deer we have and there are no established goals, how do they know how many deer need to be harvested and how many tags are needed.

Not young and I do live in PA. So the more land that is posted in a WMU the more tags are given out correct from what you said?So they are trying to get private land owners to kill off the deer on their property then also by giving out all those tags? How would that make deer hunting any good on SGL or SF then in those WMUs that have posted land and give out that many tags?

I am a reasonable guy asking a reasonable question of you. I'm neither a BlueBird drone, nor am I one with no real understanding of wildlife management or thoughts of my own. I haven't criticized, merely searching for an answer. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Do you have an answer to my question?:sheep:

Did you search the archives of this forum like I suggested? :rolleye0011:Your answer is there. I've no intention of doing that search for you. Searching the archives of this forum is a tedious undertaking. I'm comfortable with the methodology. If you're not and you wish to have a better understanding of how doe tag allocations are arrived at, I suggest you seek out the explanations given by RSB and others here and in the PGC reports.

BTW, you havent answered my question. What ideas do you have for improving the process of allocating doe licenses?

You are comfortable with the methodology because you don't understand the method they are using and no one else does either , including the PGC. There are no established DD goals for a WMU that is at it's goal for herd health but has poor forest health, therefore there is no way to calculate how many deer need to be harvested to improve forest health.

Herd health is no longer a determining factor in allocating tags since the PGC has declared all WMUs but 3D are at there goal. So the PGC is claiming that the herd is being managed based on forest health and deer/human conflicts and there are no established DD goals for either criteria.

Actually I didn't say that. I said it takes more tags to generate a harvested deer in 2B where access is limited. In 2B, access is tough for many and the huge tag allocation compensates for that by allowing those who can get that access to harvest more deer. The abundance of tags does adversely affect some public areas but those are very few in 2B which was the WMU you asked about. Getting access isn't easy but it's there for those who make the effort. By effort, I mean a year round effort. I have some very good property to hunt but I jump through plenty of hoops to get and keep it and I've no sympathy for the guy who doesn't plan ahead and make the effort to get the access if they don't have their own property or where public land isnt available.

The guy who cant be bothered to think about where he's going to hunt till the weekend before the season deserves what he gets.

LOL! yep they're just bumbling around in the dark!

So Mr wannabe wildlife manager, exactly what do you propose?
Tell us all how things would be better if Bluebird were calling the shots:popcorn:

You are the one that is claiming that you are so knowledgeable that you understand how the PGC determines the number of doe tags allocated in each WMU. Manyspurs and others have ask you to explain how the PGC determines how many doe need to be killed ,so here is you chance to dazzle us all with your explanation of the allocation process. You can start by explaining how they determine how many doe need to be harvested in 2F and 2G. Thanks

It's all been explained to you time and again right here in this forum. :confused0024:

You, however have dodged my question again.

Exactly whats wrong with the current system and how would you fix it???

Please by all means, dazzle us with your brilliant ideas!:popcorn:

I am just curious how you know that ?? Did you go sit there all day watching them fill out the permits ?? I did not realize we could go to the courthouse and watch?? I dont think our courthouse would allow anyone in the offices to see if their permits were drawn. I am not trying to br smart , but just curious how you knew so quick ?? I know years ago if you had a employee who worked at the courthouse it helped.