Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
06-28-2009, 04:41 PM
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Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
I was on the PGC web site. 5C has 130,000 antleress tags available for sale, more than 3dand 4c combined. You must have deer all over the place down there.
06-28-2009, 04:57 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations.
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
06-28-2009, 05:10 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
They can issue 5 million antlerless tags, what good are they if you can't access the land to hunt. 5C is a good example why we should have smaller WMUs.
06-28-2009, 05:37 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
It is not about what good it will do , it is about what harm it will do. If the reduction in the herd in areas open to hunting results in more hunting quitting, it will only compound the problem of controlling the herd.
06-28-2009, 06:00 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations.
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations.
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
Have you joined the ecoflakes and liars on theBOC or what?
06-29-2009, 08:55 AM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
"Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations. "
Unlike 2B and 5c, 2A isnt an sra, and the urban /human conflict isnt an issue, and actually had been rated as "low conflict" since the deer program began.. Reduction has also been accomplished in 2A supposedly already to desired level and the herd was supposed to have been stabilizing since 2004. (supposedly being key term since its ongoing reduction despite any claims)
Cornholio, (btw nice name, and use of my terminology as well as bold text like I use. Clearly one of the liars/frauds pgc supporters one most likely disgruntled because made him look like an idiot. My guess is "lil" racer guy or one of only 2 other known frauds and liars, utilizing another alias... anyway .. that data is from 4 years ago, and before even further reduction and also is PREHUNT density. Not the deer density most often spoken of or the one that is managed for. That would be over winter or post season deer density.
Currently not one wmu is at more than 25 ow deer per square mile. Which is the lowest goal from any of the best areas of any other state Im aware of....AND we are STILL reducing according to the annual report data.
2A has been lowered even more needlessly than areas worst in the state. Considering the cc of the unit is double to triple those areas. Any way you slice it the deer plan is a failure.
Unlike 2B and 5c, 2A isnt an sra, and the urban /human conflict isnt an issue, and actually had been rated as "low conflict" since the deer program began.. Reduction has also been accomplished in 2A supposedly already to desired level and the herd was supposed to have been stabilizing since 2004. (supposedly being key term since its ongoing reduction despite any claims)
Cornholio, (btw nice name, and use of my terminology as well as bold text like I use. Clearly one of the liars/frauds pgc supporters one most likely disgruntled because made him look like an idiot. My guess is "lil" racer guy or one of only 2 other known frauds and liars, utilizing another alias... anyway .. that data is from 4 years ago, and before even further reduction and also is PREHUNT density. Not the deer density most often spoken of or the one that is managed for. That would be over winter or post season deer density.
Currently not one wmu is at more than 25 ow deer per square mile. Which is the lowest goal from any of the best areas of any other state Im aware of....AND we are STILL reducing according to the annual report data.
2A has been lowered even more needlessly than areas worst in the state. Considering the cc of the unit is double to triple those areas. Any way you slice it the deer plan is a failure.
06-29-2009, 04:29 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
ORIGINAL: Cornholio
There is no way 2A has 40 deer per square mile!
Have you joined the ecoflakes and liars on theBOC or what?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations.
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
Without a doubt we have a lot of deer in areas where you can't hunt with a rifle. but 2A and 2B have even more yet they haven't seen the same increase in antlerless allocations.
Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32
Have you joined the ecoflakes and liars on theBOC or what?
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06-29-2009, 04:44 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
I do agree with you, though, Patsy, smaller wmus are needed.
VERY BADLY needed. However if you read the nonsense in the pgc deer chronicle, they are completely opposed. As they always are when it comes to something that may possibly benefit the hunters of this state.
VERY BADLY needed. However if you read the nonsense in the pgc deer chronicle, they are completely opposed. As they always are when it comes to something that may possibly benefit the hunters of this state.
06-29-2009, 04:52 PM
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RE: Hey Blue Bird, whats up with 5C
There is no way 2A has 40 deer per square mile!
Have you joined the ecoflakes and liars on the BOC or what?
Have you joined the ecoflakes and liars on the BOC or what?
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