Let's see thatlink showing how the experts agree that a typical stand of mature hardwoods will support 40 dpsm with no damage to the habitat.

How many rodkilled doe did they find adjacent to SGL 14?

Now you are just being silly ,because you can not provide one bit of evidence that shows SFLs have lower DDs than SGLs.

We both know that the biodiversity CC of northern hardwoods is only 8 DPSM and that 40 DPSM is the MSY CC. But in 2G where the herd is being managed at around 8-9 DPSM the forest health is still rated poor the the amount of regeneration is decreasing rather than increasing.

You're off your freakin rocker.There have been huge improvements in many areas wwhere the deer herd has been reduced to less than 10 owdpsm.That's precisely why DCNR isdn't having to fence many of there cuts in this area for the first time in years.The dmap the state forests to lower the dd even further.

Now don't get all flustered just because the experts at the PGC disagree with you. Just take a look at the recent issue of deer chronicles and see for yourself that regeneration in 2G decreased instead of increasing. Since the PGC bases the allocation of doe tags on herd and forest health, it is very unlikely they will allow the herd to increase even if there is some improvement in the understory.

Actually you don’t know that at all and are doing nothing more then taking some EXTREMELY general information about a very few habitat and deer densities studies and trying to apply that on a large scale.

Your generalizations in the application of the limited subject research are simply not an accurate representation of reality within any of the various units of management.

In other words you simply have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. You are proving that wildlife and habitat management are simply beyond your capacity of knowledge and understanding.

R.S. Bodenhorn

You are in no position to question any one else's knowledge since 12 out of 12 of your predictions were wrong !!

Right there is yet another perfect example of how little you actually know and how out of touch you are with the realities of habitat and deer populations.

It is you the wildlife and habitat management experts are and have been disagreeing with. You just don’t get it because you think you know a lot more about how it all works then you do. You don’t seem to have any real knowledge of how nature really works or how variable nature is. You base everything on studies that have provided some general research information and then try to make everything in nature respond to your mathematical conclusions. Nature doesn’t respond to your mathematical calculations of conclusions and instead works within the reality of many changing variables.

It isn’t even a question of the Game Commission allowing or not allowing more deer. The number of deer is determined by the ability of the food supply to sustain more or fewer deer day after day all year long and that is very flexible based on a multitude of variables within reality. That is how nature works. You nor the Game Commission can change that fact no matter what you are anyone else thinks should be happening.

R.S. Bodenhorn

LMAO, RSB!!!!! You just stole a page from the PGC's SOP manual on the HR fiasco and actually tried to use it on someone else! Take very general statements/ research from a few localized habitats and write an extermination order for deer statewide based on it. That was a beautiful synopsis of the PGC basis for HR and the current deer plan, and I actually couldn't have said it better myself. Much appreciated.Still LMAO!

Isn't it a friggin shame that DCNR has had to spend $3 million put fences up around cuts in the past?<<<<<<INSERT SARCASM

I say put the fences up. It creates JOBS erecting them and maintaining them. Pay for these fences through a tax on the greenie econuts that are willing to pay extra $$$ for Green Certified lumber. They have no qualms about paying premium prices for their eco-lumber, they'd no doubt be jumping for joy overpaying a little extra for fencing to. A win-win all theway around.

He11, let 'em pay for liming to. I'm sick and tired of carrying the load for these freaks.[:@]

OK,just a few localized habitats were negatively overbrowsed by deer.That there is funny.then again,it;s not surprising coming from a guy that expects a kid to be able to kill a buck every year on opening day by noon,most likely from the same stand as well.