Thats easy Doug. Providing a reasonable responsible deer management plan that includes hunters as one of the significant stakeholders when considering management decisions.

Jim says: "The ugly is the attitude. "

Jim its a product of pgcs own making. They knew EXACTLY what the attitude would be from the hunters when they decided to jump into bed with the econuts from day one.


"Bitter ,vile and nasty is not productive."

But it is what it is. If someone cussed your ol' lady or smacked your dog, or hosed you out of some money, youd be "bitter' "vile" and Id image "nasty". How is being hosed by pgc any more acceptable when it comes to our "lifestyle"?

' Debate is based on knowledge , direction and common goal."

Our goals are not the same as "econuts" or currently pgcs.

"Personal attacks and public crucification of people with opposing opinions gets nothing done."

Thats a two way street and they reap what they sow.

"I don,t agree with the herd reduction so on my land we don't shoot does. I don't see over abundance cucumber roots as the reason for my failure to flock shoot deer running through the woods."

Well thats just swell. Manage your own land and to hell with everyone esle. Thats fine, but dont expect the rest of us to be just as happy with things.

"The people at PGC don't scare me. I don't see black helicopters dropping coyotes in my woods."

No, they are too busy carpet bombing those woods with antlerless deer licenses, taking casualty counts and counting hobblebush.

"If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times the PGC is not shooting all of the doe,"

I couldnt give a damn less if hunters shoot every stinking one of them if its legal. In fact, that might just be a good remedy for all this deer war nonsense! LOL.

We pay PGC to manage and that includes preventing overkill from happening. "the hunters" didnt voluntarily stop shooting the bucks as yearlings. Pgc acted and implement ar. This is no different, in fact its probably even more important for them to act now.

We all have stake in the future of deer hunting in PA, this small club is making a difference and it would be nice to see more positive input than the blame game that some insist on playing.

Once again my hats off to those of you that care enough to get out and improve habitat for all of the states wildlife.

Like most things in life, yourhunting success will most likely reflect just how much effort you put into it.[:-]

And if you put in the effort necessary and are successful in spite of a largely failed deer plan and a corrupt management agency, that doesnt mean you will feel any differently.

I know I dont.

The plan is a failure in your eyes, problem is the other residents of the state have eyes also.

Explain the corruption part for me?[>:]

"The plan is a failure in your eyes, problem is the other residents of the state have eyes also. "

No. Its just a failure. When herd health HASNT increased. Hunters numbers HAVE continued to decline along with hunter satisfaction bottoming out, and when more stakeholders are pizzed than satisfied, there is no other way to paint it.

"Explain the corruption part for me?"

No explanation necessary. I think most realize things are not "on the up and up" at pgc these days. Want particulars? Gain Carl Roes confidence and ask him.

Also wanted to add, you speak of everyone should go out and work harder hunt longer etc. etc. But the number of deer is not limitless and there simply are no more to harvest. We are already continuing the decline of our herd with current harvest level. There is no way we can harvest more unless we want an even much smaller herd than already, unless we allow herd growth first.


Just noticed your sig line. ha ha. I guess you really DO have a sense of humor.

It ain't rocket science, quit shooting does. Have you no friends that hunt? Tell them to quit shooting does. Really its not that hard.

There's also a field note about fences and the time line for regeneration to occure.

Who would of thought that elevation and the lenght of the growing season would effect regeneration.

"It ain't rocket science, quit shooting does. Have you no friends that hunt? Tell them to quit shooting does."

Other than 1 youth hunter last year taking one doe, None of us do. But I have no intention or right to tell others over on the surrounding properties (or even others i do not know on the land I hunt) what to shoot if it is legal game.

"There's also a field note about fences and the time line for regeneration to occure.
Who would of thought that elevation and the lenght of the growing season would effect regeneration"

How does this effect anything? Doesnt really matter when all varying elevations across the state are getting excessive unnecessary amounts of reduction in the first place. Including those whose habitat were fine in the first place.

Btw, I dont buy that rag. Not putting any more money in pgcs hands than I have to. I do read it at the store most issues though! lol

THATS what it will take. The PGC dont pull your trigger hunters do. I quit hunting in Pa and post the hey out of my property to try and protect a doe. Bought property in another state to hunt where all my neighbors dont slaughter all the does. BUT I have no doubt if the hunters thru some miracle would stop shooting to many does the PGC would hire and pay a hit squad to do the dirty work. Adios I am heading out for 10 days to my land in another state to enjoy feasting my eyes on 6 dozen deer and take a fawn count.