Are we losing sight?
12-16-2009 | 11:45 AM
#191
Boone & Crockett
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Now I am an extremist with some sort of anti-hunting agenda??? Uh, nope, just a guy whose perspective on things ins't defined entirely by the need to hang a big rack on the wall every year based on a quick run to the local WMU. Don't you get tired of conjuring up conspiracy theories every time somebody offers a perspective that you don't like.
How's this for a conspiracy theory. You are one of those wacky earthfirsters who want to see animals take over the planet. So, your desired goal is 200 DSM, with herds stretching as far as the eye can see grazing on the overgrown remnants of the road system. There will be no more agriculture since people don't have the right to complain about crop damage from deer. The few remaining humans will be required to ride bikes at speeds no greater than 10mph to avoid bike/deer collisions to make sure that deer on the paths are in no way viewed as a nuisance or danger. As the high priest of the deer earth cult, you alone will be afforded the privilege of harvesting one huge buck a year. If you are able to do it quickly and with little effort then it means that the God's smile upon the earth. If it takes any time or challenge then that means that the evil PGC God's have cursed the earth and the end is near
Cornie's vision:
How's this for a conspiracy theory. You are one of those wacky earthfirsters who want to see animals take over the planet. So, your desired goal is 200 DSM, with herds stretching as far as the eye can see grazing on the overgrown remnants of the road system. There will be no more agriculture since people don't have the right to complain about crop damage from deer. The few remaining humans will be required to ride bikes at speeds no greater than 10mph to avoid bike/deer collisions to make sure that deer on the paths are in no way viewed as a nuisance or danger. As the high priest of the deer earth cult, you alone will be afforded the privilege of harvesting one huge buck a year. If you are able to do it quickly and with little effort then it means that the God's smile upon the earth. If it takes any time or challenge then that means that the evil PGC God's have cursed the earth and the end is near
Cornie's vision:
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12-16-2009 | 12:15 PM
#192
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Umm, yeah Lanse, Id say that to be an adequately accurate depiction if we are to go by your standards.
No less accurate than the 6 people on the planet who say pgc is doing a great job. lmao.
You coulda used a pic with tons of deer to make your jab. You didnt. Just shows how extreme your views actually are. I also guess, from your picture a deer...One deer....knowing nothing at all about anything other than what we see in the picture... We are supposed to conclude automatically that area is overpopulated based on that alone??? People like you are a big problem today. Extremists seeing a bud nipped off a branch will tell you the world is ending. Seeing a deer alongside the road and they'll say we have far far too many.
I guess when not one deer can be seen while actually looking for one....And not one deer steps on a road anywhere.....and not one bud gets touched on a sapling..THEN we'll be at the right herd level according to Lanse & others who think alike such as audubon. lol.
No less accurate than the 6 people on the planet who say pgc is doing a great job. lmao.
You coulda used a pic with tons of deer to make your jab. You didnt. Just shows how extreme your views actually are. I also guess, from your picture a deer...One deer....knowing nothing at all about anything other than what we see in the picture... We are supposed to conclude automatically that area is overpopulated based on that alone??? People like you are a big problem today. Extremists seeing a bud nipped off a branch will tell you the world is ending. Seeing a deer alongside the road and they'll say we have far far too many.
I guess when not one deer can be seen while actually looking for one....And not one deer steps on a road anywhere.....and not one bud gets touched on a sapling..THEN we'll be at the right herd level according to Lanse & others who think alike such as audubon. lol.
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12-16-2009 | 12:19 PM
#193
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"Now I am an extremist with some sort of anti-hunting agenda???"
" Don't you get tired of conjuring up conspiracy theories every time somebody offers a perspective that you don't like."
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12-16-2009 | 12:25 PM
#194
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
Actually, I get together quite well with my father, largely because when he gets on his soapbox about deer populations I consider the source and don't give it much credence since it doesn't make much sense when you consider it from a broad objective perspective. My perspective seems to be shared since Illinois has recently implemented a deer reduction program. I don't know that it will be too effective since folks who sound surprisingly like you wanted a watered down reduction plan so as to not cut into their easy big buck pickings. So, when the numbers don't drop like they should and pretty dramatic measures are then required that cause a very sharp (but still needed) reduction, the same people are gonna be screaming as loud as you are in PA. I consider this forum a practice for eventually having to deal with them.
Sproulman: Well, my part of the country has not yet been flooded with disabled folks from New Jersey who are buying up all the land and deer camps, but we get our share of outsiders coming in. We have several people from Georgia who came into the area after the deer numbers got really high and bought land. And the out-of-state folks coming in to lease ground is really just starting to get rolling. I think that lots of those folks are gonna be lots less enthusiatic about doing that once the deer population starts dropping to the point that filling ones tag actually becomes a challenge.
I am now experimenting with a New Age Environmentalist philosophy that seeks a 30 percent herd reduction through the power of free love.
Sproulman: Well, my part of the country has not yet been flooded with disabled folks from New Jersey who are buying up all the land and deer camps, but we get our share of outsiders coming in. We have several people from Georgia who came into the area after the deer numbers got really high and bought land. And the out-of-state folks coming in to lease ground is really just starting to get rolling. I think that lots of those folks are gonna be lots less enthusiatic about doing that once the deer population starts dropping to the point that filling ones tag actually becomes a challenge.
I am now experimenting with a New Age Environmentalist philosophy that seeks a 30 percent herd reduction through the power of free love.
then allowing them to use a ATV for being DISABLED here in pa. they got it real nice.
i expected to see older people like us that may need a DISABLED ATV not young guys around 45 sitting in trees all day that are disabled
12-16-2009 | 03:02 PM
#196
Nontypical Buck
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i only say what i see.also i am not singling out new jersey. i used to work there also and lived near newark,nj.they see deal in land/camp vrs what it cost to own land/camp in nj.also its hard to find publicland in nj that you can use high powered rifle vrs pa.
then allowing them to use a ATV for being DISABLED here in pa. they got it real nice.
i expected to see older people like us that may need a DISABLED ATV not young guys around 45 sitting in trees all day that are disabled
then allowing them to use a ATV for being DISABLED here in pa. they got it real nice.
i expected to see older people like us that may need a DISABLED ATV not young guys around 45 sitting in trees all day that are disabled
12-16-2009 | 03:32 PM
#197
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
I have a buddy that lost most of his lung capacity last year do to a Dr.'s mistake during a rotator cuff surgery.He has to take oxygen with him but he still couldn't get a disabled permit from the PGC.Incidentally,he killed a doe last saturday on SGL 93 in Clearfield county not 200 yrads from the PGC's maintenance buildings.
I used to put on a 3D shoot for PA Sportsemn for the disabled at Conemaugh lake and know of several hunters from that organization that had disabled rermits to hunt from vehicles and every one of them had some paralysis or were amputees.
12-16-2009 | 03:49 PM
#198
Spike
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From: South Central, PA
Sproul, pm me with where you seen 'em on the ATV's. I emailed DCNR after I talked to Wasserman(spelling?) about a spot just north of Renovo last year. They said the guys had permits, but I didnt think that area was for disabled. I know one spot posted open for disabled, thats it. I didnt know they could go anywhere they wanted.
12-16-2009 | 05:20 PM
#200
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
Got a buddy who's left leg is nerve dead from mid thigh down and he was denied. Don't know the exact criteria for that permit but it aint easy to get. Those guys you're seeing Sproul are either BS'ing about having the permit or they really scammed someone to get it.
I used to put on a 3D shoot for PA Sportsemn for the disabled at Conemaugh lake and know of several hunters from that organization that had disabled rermits to hunt from vehicles and every one of them had some paralysis or were amputees.
I used to put on a 3D shoot for PA Sportsemn for the disabled at Conemaugh lake and know of several hunters from that organization that had disabled rermits to hunt from vehicles and every one of them had some paralysis or were amputees.
i was shocked to see it.i had to check it out.all legal ........
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