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Anyone read the summer Pa Game Commission "deer chronicle" yet? Funny stuff. More pgc lies and bullchit. Guess they still arent sold on the idea of smaller wmus. They speak of Wisconsin not being perfect even though they had 131 wmus back in 2001 and that like Pa they still had problems (although I didnt see anything about deer wars! lol)....... And they quote some obscure piece by someone in Wisconsin saying its not a perfect system....yadda yadda yadda. Yet here we are, EIGHT YEARS later, and guess how many wmus Wisconsin has now?? Yeah, thats right that same ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE! LOL...Or look at NY with 85...Or virginia with 99. Or Michigan with....oh heck I dont know you count em! lolmichigan
Follow that up? How about saying in a piece about "deer predation" that the recent years our deer herd is NOT declining, it is stable, predators or not. LOL. Perhaps whoever wrote that didnt look at the buck harvest data of the last few years? LMAO. Or the pgc annual report herd change index? LMAO. I notice those pieces were not signed by the author. I dont blame him/her. I wouldnt sign off on such a joke either. .....And the beat goes on. More lies from Elmerton Avenue |
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One will pretty much be able to tell if the upcoming audit of the PGC is totally bogus or not, if they don't at least compare the number of PA's WMU's to other states and recomend an increase.
I still find VA quite interesting. Here's a state only 4k sq miles less in land mass, has 99 WMU's, is a combined Game/Fish Agency that has roughly 1/2 the budget of the PA Game and Fish commisions combined, and yet you can go to a link on their website: http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlif...vest/index.asp ... and find Deer Harvest data state-wide, by region, or by county/city for last year, the last 10 years, or all data (1947 to present). Perhaps the most important thing is that they say right up front that: "In contrast to many states that estimate their annual deer kill, Virginia's deer kill figures represent an actual known minimum count."  |
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Each county should be a WMU. Why should some counties be lumped in with others withdeer population problems caused from over development and poor hunter access.
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"I still find VA quite interesting. Here's a state only 4k sq miles less in land mass, has 99 WMU's, is a combined Game/Fish Agency that has roughly 1/2 the budget of the PA Game and Fish commisions combined, and yet you can go to a link on their website: http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlif...vest/index.asp ... and find Deer Harvest data state-wide, by region, or by county/city for last year, the last 10 years, or all data (1947 to present). "
Its amazing how so many other states make it work isnt it? LOL. To hear pgc tell it, its an impossibility. You think theyd at least throw the sportsmen that bone, seeing as how it would definately help with public relations at the very least since I havent seen ONE hunter on several boards say they wouldnt like smaller wmus. Also very good point about Virginia. Nearly same size as Pa, yet they take half the money to run management, and they do so with a system of smaller wmus that pgc says would take MORE money! Now why doesnt all this sound quite right??? Amen Patsy. I would support going back to the couty system or similar size units and wouldnt be unhappy if they were even smaller, broken up by roads ,rivers ,streams etc. Whatever. They have options. They just flatly refuse to explore them. And its only the way it is because its easier to reduce a herd over entire areas instead of micromanaging when the wmus are fewer and larger plus saves them some work in the way of data collection and assessing, as well as preparing annual reports etc.. It seem the biologists at pgc would rather work half as much, while the agency soaks up twice the money of other states. [:'(] |
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>Its amazing how so many other states make it work isnt it? LOL. Riddle me this Cornholio, how does OH which is considered by most GC bashers as the mecca of deer management get by with just 3(three) deer management units for the whole state?  Wv Gino http://www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife/dow/...eer.aspx#zones |
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Wow: I never realized Ohio had such liberal bag limit.Am I reading it wrong, WVgino??
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Gino OH. only has 3 WMU.'s but they still estimate the herd by county aswell as report the harvest for each county. Pike
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Diid anyone else notice that forest health in 2A was rated fair with 36% while 2G was rated poor with 38% regeneration, yet 2F was rated fair with 39% regeneration?
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Diid anyone else notice that forest health in 2A was rated fair with 36% while 2G was rated poor with 38% regeneration, yet 2F was rated fair with 39% regeneration? |
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ORIGINAL: blkpowder ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Diid anyone else notice that forest health in 2A was rated fair with 36% while 2G was rated poor with 38% regeneration, yet 2F was rated fair with 39% regeneration? [/align] |
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: blkpowder ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Diid anyone else notice that forest health in 2A was rated fair with 36% while 2G was rated poor with 38% regeneration, yet 2F was rated fair with 39% regeneration? [/align]Even the best song becomes tiresome if heard too often. :) [/align] |
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>but they still estimate the herd by county aswell as report the harvest for each county.
So? Bottom line is OH manages via three big units. Wonder how they get by without micro management? >Wow: I never realized Ohio had such liberal bag limit.Am I reading it wrong, WVgino?? You are not reading it wrong. An OH deer hunter can harvest 12 deer not counting special urban deer hunts. Of those 12, 11 would have to be anterless. WV just up'ed our limit to 13 a year by adding two different Sept. anterless seasons. Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer. WV Gino |
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Gino your problem is you comment on things that you have NO idea of what you are talking about!! I hunt in OH. and I am only permitted to harvest 6
deer per year ( not counting SRA's or Urban area's) not 12 like you are trying to claim. But even though a hunter can kill a total of six in 2009, in 2006 only 8,000 of their 450,000 deer hunters filled all 3 of their available tags, so how many of those 8,000 hunters harvested 4,5 or 6 deer in 2007 or 08 when the ODNR raised the yearly bag limit from 3 to 6 deer. Also the ODNR. does mirco manage, they use DD. estimates and harvest #'s from every county in each WMU. to determine the bag limits for each WMU. The PGC. on the other hand does not have a clue of what the DD. is in any of the 64 counties of PA. or the deer harvest for each county. Then again things like DD. by county or deer harvest by county is only a concern to state wildlife agency's that actually care about over harvesting their herd. Pike |
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Gino, when we have the big bucks ohio has, the hunter numbers and quality of hunting, I promise I will not ask pgc to change one damn thing. LOL
Thing is we have few wmus NOW and it aint workin' very well. Ohios system works in spite of the few wmus, not because of them. Theyve got the soils, the hunter numbers, the men in charge that now what the hell they are doing, no rifles, etc. etc. etc. Hunter satisfaction is high. Having said that, Id imagine even Ohio or anywhere else could be improved upon in some ways, Maybe even by going to smaller wmus??. They just need it a helluva lot less than we do. (LOL) And like in ohio, if it aint broke, dont fix it. Well here it is broke and pgc is pretending that it aint. Anyway, here there is a helluva lot of room for improvement and smaller wmus would be a great place to start. Its something most would greatly like to see and its proven to be workable. No reason now not to, other than pure stubbornness and a desire to ignore hunters and slaughter deer. |
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"Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer."
Not ONE other eastern state has even close to 900,000 hunters and deer densities as low as ours along with them. I also have no problems with any state including pa being able to harvest as many deer per person as tags are available going from wmu to wmu. Problem is, many wmus should have lower allocations. It is fine to get say 4 doe tags if you want to hunt 3 or 4 wmus and they are available. Its quite another when you can get 2 three or 4 in ONE wmu here in Pa where the added harvest is far from needed. |
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Even the best song becomes tiresome if heard too often. |
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J Pike,
Any idea as to what the current budget is for the Hunting/Fishing section is within Ohio's DNCR? thanks |
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Good question Yano. I would like to know that also. I have yet to find any state as high as Pa. Yet we get very little in return.
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Even the best song becomes tiresome if heard too often. : Well then who's on first? : Yes. : I mean the fellow's name. : Who. : The guy on first. : Who. : The first baseman. : Who. : The guy playing... : Who is on first! : I'm asking you who's on first. : That's the man's name. : That's who's name? : Yes. : Well go ahead and tell me. : That's it. : That's who? : Yes. PAUSE : Look, you gotta first baseman? : Certainly. : Who's playing first? : That's right. : When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?  |
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ORIGINAL: yano J Pike, Any idea as to what the current budget is for the Hunting/Fishing section is within Ohio's DNCR? thanks |
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Jeff
you can harvest 6 deer in zone C, 4 deer in zone B, and 2 deer in zone A. That adds up to 12. The fact that you can't count higher than you have fingers makes me wonder how you own a mortgage comp. I assume this was a family business or you married into it. Wv Gino |
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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 "Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer." Not ONE other eastern state has even close to 900,000 hunters and deer densities as low as ours along with them. I also have no problems with any state including pa being able to harvest as many deer per person as tags are available going from wmu to wmu. Problem is, many wmus should have lower allocations. It is fine to get say 4 doe tags if you want to hunt 3 or 4 wmus and they are available. Its quite another when you can get 2 three or 4 in ONE wmu here in Pa where the added harvest is far from needed. You are correct that no other state, not only in the eastern U.S., but anywhere in the nation has as many hunters as what we have in Pennsylvania. Why isn’t that considered as a positive thing instead of a negative? But, you keep repeatedly making this claim that all the other states have higher deer densities and based on some research I just did I find that statement to be both FALSE and misleading. Not all of the surrounding states express a deer population estimate, just like Pennsylvania no longer provides to the public. But I am going to post the deer density estimates for the surrounding states that did release an estimate. Since the states all vary in size and to make it comparable for all of the states I have reduced their deer population estimates to deer per square mile. Here is the various state deer population estimates in deer per square mile of land mass: State…………………..deer/sq. mile…………………….deer harvest/sq. mile Ohio……………………..14.7.…………… ……………….........6.15 Virginia………………….25.3.…………… ……………….........6.41 Michigan………………..30.0.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.79 New York……………….21.2.…………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.72 Wisconsin……………….18.4.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........5.10 Maryland………………..25.6.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........9.43 Pennsylvania……………………………….. ................................7.41 Now, if we figured Pennsylvania at an extremely low estimated deer populatoin of only one million deer the number per square mile would be 22.3 deer per square mile. That is a deer population that is very much in line with all of the other states. Of course the deer are not distributed evenly over the landscape of any state. Some areas have better habitat and thus have more deer. Other areas have no deer because there is no deer habitat. I am sure that fact is true in each of the states. But, the bottom line is that Pennsylvania deer populations are obviously very much in line with the other states or our deer harvests couldn’t be sustained at the high levels they are. As for those Deer Chronicles I think everyone should read them with an open mind, maybe they could learn something. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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Interesting that while some here claim that 2A has been decimated, it ranks third from the bottom in regeneration and second to last (by one one hundredth of a percent) in embryos per adult doe.
Sounds like old 2A needs some more does killed ASAP.;) |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Even the best song becomes tiresome if heard too often.  [/align] |
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ORIGINAL: R.S.B. ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 "Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer." Not ONE other eastern state has even close to 900,000 hunters and deer densities as low as ours along with them. I also have no problems with any state including pa being able to harvest as many deer per person as tags are available going from wmu to wmu. Problem is, many wmus should have lower allocations. It is fine to get say 4 doe tags if you want to hunt 3 or 4 wmus and they are available. Its quite another when you can get 2 three or 4 in ONE wmu here in Pa where the added harvest is far from needed. You are correct that no other state, not only in the eastern U.S., but anywhere in the nation has as many hunters as what we have in Pennsylvania. Why isn’t that considered as a positive thing instead of a negative? But, you keep repeatedly making this claim that all the other states have higher deer densities and based on some research I just did I find that statement to be both FALSE and misleading. Not all of the surrounding states express a deer population estimate, just like Pennsylvania no longer provides to the public. But I am going to post the deer density estimates for the surrounding states that did release an estimate. Since the states all vary in size and to make it comparable for all of the states I have reduced their deer population estimates to deer per square mile. Here is the various state deer population estimates in deer per square mile of land mass: State…………………..deer/sq. mile…………………….deer harvest/sq. mile Ohio……………………..14.7.…………… ……………….........6.15 Virginia………………….25.3.…………… ……………….........6.41 Michigan………………..30.0.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.79 New York……………….21.2.…………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.72 Wisconsin……………….18.4.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........5.10 Maryland………………..25.6.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........9.43 Pennsylvania……………………………….. ................................7.41 Now, if we figured Pennsylvania at an extremely low estimated deer populatoin of only one million deer the number per square mile would be 22.3 deer per square mile. That is a deer population that is very much in line with all of the other states. Of course the deer are not distributed evenly over the landscape of any state. Some areas have better habitat and thus have more deer. Other areas have no deer because there is no deer habitat. I am sure that fact is true in each of the states. But, the bottom line is that Pennsylvania deer populations are obviously very much in line with the other states or our deer harvests couldn’t be sustained at the high levels they are. As for those Deer Chronicles I think everyone should read them with an open mind, maybe they could learn something. R.S. Bodenhorn Secondly, you stated that the PGC no longer releases population models to the public. WHY? We justed listed several states in the dialogue of this thread that willingly provide much more information to the public, specifically Virginia which manages roughly the same size state geographically, more comprehensively on a much smaller budget. What is PA hiding. If they released their data you wouldn't have to "research" your own population model (see pull out of your arse.) out of thin air. As for reading those chronicles with an open mind, do you mean the way the commissioners approached the xbow vote overwhelmingly objected by sportsmen, or the open minded way they opted for smaller wmu's and lowering tag allocations that continue to reduce the herd under the guise of "stabilization" mode? |
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ORIGINAL: WV Gino Jeff you can harvest 6 deer in zone C, 4 deer in zone B, and 2 deer in zone A. That adds up to 12. The fact that you can't count higher than you have fingers makes me wonder how you own a mortgage comp. I assume this was a family business or you married into it. Wv Gino For example: If you harvest 4 deer in zone C you can only harvest 2 more in zone B or C etc. And as far as my mortgage Co. I did it all on my own, grew up in a row home in the inner city, put myself thru college loading trucks at night, got a job as a loan officer, saved every penny I earned and started my own company. Dont be hating just because I made more money by the age of 30 then you will during your entire life. Pike |
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RSB. Can you provide a link that states that OH. only has 14.7 DPSM?
If that is true than PA. has far less than 14.7 DPSM!! Maybe bluebird can help me out here and run the numbers, OH. had a 2008 pre season deer herd of around 760,000 whitetails. Also lets stop trying to spin the #'s. The fact of the matter is 450,000 OH. deer hunters harvested only around 70,000 deer less than 900,000 + PA. deer hunters did in 2008, and in case you didnt know the state of OH. is smaller in size than the state of PA.!! If you are trying to claim that PA. has anywhere close to the same DPSM on avg. as OH. your fibbing or just like Gino trying to comment on a subject that you have NO clue about. Pike |
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>Sorry Gino you can only harvest a total of 6 deer total!!
For example: If you harvest 4 deer in zone C you can only harvest 2 more in zone B or C etc. Here is the Ohio DNR's response. DEER ZONE BAG LIMITS ARE SEPARATE AND DO NOT IMPACT DEER HUNTING IN OTHER ZONES. let's try another source if the Ohio DNR is not considered a valid source of info http://deerimpacts.blogspot.com/2009...yet-falls.html With an early archery season limit of two deer in Zone A, four in Zone B and six in Zone C, a traveling sportsman could legally take 12 deer by hunting in all of the zones. Wv Gino |
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Comparing total harvest data is not a valid method of comparing the quality of hunting in various states. For, example the same herd that produced a harvest of 379K in 1999 produced a much larger harvest of 505K in 2001 and an even larger harvest of 518 K in 2003. But , in 2001 we harvested 203K buck and in 2003 we only harvested 142K. So ,based on the total harvest one might conclude that the herd was increasing and hunting was improving when the exact opposite was occurring. Therefore, the buck harvest is the most valid criteria for determining the quality of hunting in various states.
One also has to know if the harvest data is the actual reported harvest or the calculated harvest and how the deer densities were determined. If they were calculated based on the reported harvest versus the calculated harvests the densities could be much lower than if they were based on harvest estimates. One also has to know if the densities are all PSDDs or OWDDs and if they are based on total land area or just suitable deer habitat. The 2008 PA buck harvest equates to 2.71 buck PSM which is less than the 2.9 buck PSM harvested in 2F ,which had a PSDD of around 17 DPSM. In 2007 we only harvested 2.42 buck PSM which is pathetic when compared to the 2001 harvest of 4.51 buck PSM. |
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Therefore, the buck harvest is the most valid criteria for determining the quality of hunting in various states. One also has to know if the harvest data is the actual reported harvest or the calculated harvest and how the deer densities were determined. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 One also has to know if the harvest data is the actual reported harvest or the calculated harvest and how the deer densities were determined. If they were calculated based on the reported harvest versus the calculated harvests the densities could be much lower than if they were based on harvest estimates. I'd love to have the actual reported PGC Deer harvest data for the last 10 years or so; my guess is we will have wait for the upcoming Aduit or file a FOI request in order to get it.  |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 In 2007 we only harvested 2.42 buck PSM which is pathetic when compared to the 2001 harvest of 4.51 buck PSM. |
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Because we can't shoot spikes and forkhorns anymore our buck harvest fell 54 % |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Because we can't shoot spikes and forkhorns anymore our buck harvest fell 54 % |
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ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel ORIGINAL: R.S.B. ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 "Almost all Eastern states with the exception of NE states are now this liberal with bag limits on deer." Not ONE other eastern state has even close to 900,000 hunters and deer densities as low as ours along with them. I also have no problems with any state including pa being able to harvest as many deer per person as tags are available going from wmu to wmu. Problem is, many wmus should have lower allocations. It is fine to get say 4 doe tags if you want to hunt 3 or 4 wmus and they are available. Its quite another when you can get 2 three or 4 in ONE wmu here in Pa where the added harvest is far from needed. You are correct that no other state, not only in the eastern U.S., but anywhere in the nation has as many hunters as what we have in Pennsylvania. Why isn’t that considered as a positive thing instead of a negative? But, you keep repeatedly making this claim that all the other states have higher deer densities and based on some research I just did I find that statement to be both FALSE and misleading. Not all of the surrounding states express a deer population estimate, just like Pennsylvania no longer provides to the public. But I am going to post the deer density estimates for the surrounding states that did release an estimate. Since the states all vary in size and to make it comparable for all of the states I have reduced their deer population estimates to deer per square mile. Here is the various state deer population estimates in deer per square mile of land mass: State…………………..deer/sq. mile…………………….deer harvest/sq. mile Ohio……………………..14.7.…………… ……………….........6.15 Virginia………………….25.3.…………… ……………….........6.41 Michigan………………..30.0.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.79 New York……………….21.2.…………………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........4.72 Wisconsin……………….18.4.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........5.10 Maryland………………..25.6.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..........9.43 Pennsylvania……………………………….. ................................7.41 Now, if we figured Pennsylvania at an extremely low estimated deer populatoin of only one million deer the number per square mile would be 22.3 deer per square mile. That is a deer population that is very much in line with all of the other states. Of course the deer are not distributed evenly over the landscape of any state. Some areas have better habitat and thus have more deer. Other areas have no deer because there is no deer habitat. I am sure that fact is true in each of the states. But, the bottom line is that Pennsylvania deer populations are obviously very much in line with the other states or our deer harvests couldn’t be sustained at the high levels they are. As for those Deer Chronicles I think everyone should read them with an open mind, maybe they could learn something. R.S. Bodenhorn Secondly, you stated that the PGC no longer releases population models to the public. WHY? We justed listed several states in the dialogue of this thread that willingly provide much more information to the public, specifically Virginia which manages roughly the same size state geographically, more comprehensively on a much smaller budget. What is PA hiding. If they released their data you wouldn't have to "research" your own population model (see pull out of your arse.) out of thin air. As for reading those chronicles with an open mind, do you mean the way the commissioners approached the xbow vote overwhelmingly objected by sportsmen, or the open minded way they opted for smaller wmu's and lowering tag allocations that continue to reduce the herd under the guise of "stabilization" mode? Last year Pennsylvania hunters harvested 7.41 deer per square mile. It is very unlikely that the hunters came close to even harvesting a third of our statewide deer population let alone over half as your estimated herd size of only 11-15 deer per square mile would suggest. Also the Game Commission has had several hundred tagged antler less deer in the deer population over the past few years, some of which are also wearing radio transmitters so they can be tracked. Hunters are annually harvesting less then 15% of those antler less deer that can be proven to be in existence. That would indicate that hunters are not coming close to harvesting a third of the deer population and most likely aren’t even harvesting a quarter of the state’s deer population during any year. So, based on the facts an estimate of one million preseason deer in this state is a VERY conservative population estimate. The Game Commission stopped providing an estimated deer population, to the public, because it was simply an estimate and to many people, just like you, used it to criticize and cast doubt. If people aren’t going to accept the data, and instead just challenge it, there isn’t much use in providing it in the first place, is there. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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ORIGINAL: J Pike RSB. Can you provide a link that states that OH. only has 14.7 DPSM? If that is true than PA. has far less than 14.7 DPSM!! Maybe bluebird can help me out here and run the numbers, OH. had a 2008 pre season deer herd of around 760,000 whitetails. Also lets stop trying to spin the #'s. The fact of the matter is 450,000 OH. deer hunters harvested only around 70,000 deer less than 900,000 + PA. deer hunters did in 2008, and in case you didnt know the state of OH. is smaller in size than the state of PA.!! If you are trying to claim that PA. has anywhere close to the same DPSM on avg. as OH. your fibbing or just like Gino trying to comment on a subject that you have NO clue about. Pike I got it from this link from the Ohio DNR Division of Wildlife. http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/9/pdf/pub087.pdf And this newspaper article which also explains how Ohio is actively trying to reduce their deer population to even lower numbers of deer. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/insight/stories/2007/04/01/deer_in_ohio.ART_ART_04-01-07_B1_6S67V6J.html And, this newspaper article concerning last year’s deer population estimate and harvest numbers. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/12/09/deerhunt.ART_ART_12-09-08_B1_19C66LC.html?sid=101 The comparatively low deer population in Ohio, as compared to Pennsylvania, is undoubtedly due to the fact that Ohio has more industrial and city areas that are covered with pavement then what occurs in Pennsylvania. Ohio probably has a higher deer population per square mile of DEER HABITAT then Pennsylvania, but only because they have better soils that grow better food being combined with the fact that they have always harvested a higher percentage of their deer each year to protect the deer food supply. Of course all of the farm crops in Ohio undoubtedly helps keep there deer numbers higher, in the areas that have deer, too. Pennsylvania has far more land mass that supports deer then what Ohio has, though much of the Pennsylvania deer range is steep mountainous land with rocky outcroppings where no deer food grows so naturally fewer deer can be supported per square mile as compared to the rich and lush farm land soils of Ohio. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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ORIGINAL: R.S.B. Last year Pennsylvania hunters harvested 7.41 deer per square mile. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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That would indicate that hunters are not coming close to harvesting a third of the deer population and most likely aren’t even harvesting a quarter of the state’s deer population during any year. So, based on the facts an estimate of one million preseason deer in this state is a VERY conservative population estimate |
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>ARs decreased our buck harvest from 203K in 2001 to 165K in 2002
Beenthere, I realize your memory is fading fast. AR were changed in PA in 2002 but they were also changed again in 2003 and have reamined that way thru this upcoming season. SRA's did not have AR in 2002, starting 2003 they did. The 4 point area was 30% smaller in 2002 than it was 2003-present. A county like Greene was under the 3 point rule where you got automatic credit for a brow tine. The 2002 harvest only dropped 140 deer from 2001. Starting in 2003 Greene fell under the 4 point rule and a brow tine had to really exist. The 2003 buck harvest was little more than half of what it was in 2002. That did not mean there suddenly was half as many deer in Greene County. The new AR's were the reason. 2001 - 4196 2002 - 3956 2003 - 2200 BT the buck harvest was 203k in 2001 and 141k in 2003 which was the first year that AR's were the same as last years AR's. 141k(2003) vs. 125k(2008), but keep in mind there were fewer hunters afield last year as compared to 2003. Here is your math assignment for today. what was the buck hunter success value for 2003 and what was it for 2008? part b.) how much of a difference was there between the two values? WV Gino |
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Here is your math assignment for today. what was the buck hunter success value for 2003 and what was it for 2008? part b.) how much of a difference was there between the two values? |
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