WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PA DEER AUDIT?
 

With all the discussion lately about this audits credibility (see other thread) and the fact its one of the hottest topics at the moment, what do you think?

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Some discussion on the topic in other thread previously for those who might not know what is going on: audit thread

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Found this interesting piece today:
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Is the Deer Audit a Con?


The Legislative Budget & Finance Committee has officially awarded the Pennsylvania Deer Audit contract to the Wildlife Management Institute (WMI). Will this result in a comprehensive audit to determine an accurate evaluation of PGC deer management, or is the designed intent of the Levdansky Request for Proposal (RFP) to validate the current deer management plan? We believe all indicators point to the latter.

Is WMI an unbiased outside agency? WMI was a participant in the 1999 Audubon Deer Conference, which was the kick-off to implementing the current deer management plan.

Why is the drastic reduction of the deer herd the centerpiece of this management plan? The main stipulation in granting conditional “Green Certification” to Pennsylvania state forestland was that “overabundant” deer must be killed off, or green certification will not be renewed. Without the GREEN stamp of approval, lumber from the forest cannot be sold in Europe. So in essence, Pennsylvania deer management is governed by European environmentalism.

This is a useful tool for those with other agendas.

For homegrown environmentalists, it’s a step toward the restoration of our forests to the “pristine” wilderness that existed before the arrival of Western Civilization and our hunting culture.

A drastically reduced deer herd leads to reduced hunting license sales, which leads to reduced Game Commission funds. Reduced funds lead to renewed calls for merger. It’s of coincidence that the same politician who pushed this particular RFP, has been working behind the scene for years to merge the Game & Fish Commissions with DCNR, to “build a bridge to the environmentalists.”

Of prime consideration, is 1.6 million acres of coveted gameland. A depleted deer herd and reduced license sales lead to reduced gameland use. There is a cadre of special interest groups who have been semi-patiently waiting in the wings, eager to multi-use the gamelands, relegating hunters to second class citizens on a list of stakeholders.

Why was the watered-down Levdansky RFP pushed in preference of all others? Special commendation goes to the contrarian outdoor writer John Street, who, in his article “You ain’t gonna gitcherdeer”, has shed light on the machinations behind this effort.

Since before its implementation, the ACSL has fruitlessly been asking for the science behind the deer management plan, and it appears as though we may still be asking that same exact question after the audit is complete. Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of our hunting tradition, by the guiding hand of a self-anointed hunting czar? Who or what backroom oligarchy really wrote the RFP? Surveys of deer in West Virginia show approximately 40 per square mile yet here in PA the numbers have dropped dramatically. Aerial surveys by DCNR first showed 5-10 per square mile and the second survey showed 0-5 per square mile. Where do YOU think this is headed? Read these reports and information and YOU decide for yourself.

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D. Won't bother voicing an option as it may differ in even the slightest way from Cornelius08

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Well gee, I guess we will all sorely miss your input then. Lmao.:D

Sorry you hold a grudge for me not supporting your, imho, absolutely ridiculous 100% greed induced proposal for two buck harvest. And Id hardly call that your opinion differing in the slightest way" from mine! But that is your opinion and you are welcome to it and Ive never said otherwise. You DID ask for input on the subject though. Well....you got it.[:-]

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A totalwaste of monies and man hours for sure. It wont accomplish anything. WMI was awarded the contract for this audit well what are the guidelines and I mean all of them one of these groups should know by now.

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Im guessing that this biased company is gonna address what they address and that is that. What is there is there and what isnt is just too darn bad, and wether the Pa sportsmen like it or not, it will be too late. The fraud audit will carry real weight and the "deer wars" will be won by the econuts with treachery and lies.

Why spend 90,000 dollars on a biased opinion when we couldve just asked Carl Roe what he thought for free?

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Since the audit has not yet been conducted, this thread is a total waste of time and is completely pointless.

Whateverthe audit may or may not conclude, it desreves to at least get an objective look before this type of poll can have any meaning.
It's more than a little bit premature to start with this whiney ass crap now.

The one thing this pollmight have been able totell us is exactly how many whiners we have that are so screwed up that they think they can know the audit is bad before it even starts. But since we have members here who have been caught with as many as 7 or more screen names, the numbers will never meanmuch anyway.

Of course, the mouth of the south will be screaming foul in bold type the whole time but he cant come up with a better qualified candidate to conduct the audit now can he?

40 state wildlife agencies and 4 provinces have used WMI without a problem for similar workand yet a very few crybaby's (with many names) are already screaming foul. Kinda makes you wonder......

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BT. I agreed with you until I read the article above and also found out that WMI is only being paid $90,000 to do the entire audit.
There is no way WMI can do a legit audit of our entire deer plan over an 8 year period for what it cost them to employ 2 employee's for a year. Pike

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"Since the audit has not yet been conducted, this thread is a total waste of time and is completely pointless. "

In that case, I guess it didnt make much sense for you to waste some of your "expendable" precious time'by replying then did it?

"Whatever the audit may or may not conclude, it desreves to at least get an objective look before this type of poll can have any meaning.
It's more than a little bit premature to start with this whiney ass crap now. "

Nope. Isnt any more acceptable to you if USP was inititiating and overseeing this. Bias is bias. Its not "unbias" just because its your side pulling the strings.

"The one thing this poll might have been able to tell us is exactly how many whiners we have that are so screwed up that they think they can know the audit is bad before it even starts. But since we have members here who have been caught with as many as 7 or more screen names, the numbers will never mean much anyway. "

WAAAAA! WAAAA! Mommy, mommy, I dont like what the bad man is saying, make him stop! Boo- friggin HOO.

Also, There isnt and most like hasnt been anyone voting more than once other than YOU. Another poll doesnt suit poor lil' crybaby btb even though he voted mutiple times on previous polls using his "camp" id because hes supposedly forgot his real one...Convenient memory eh pal? I was on the survey page previously when you were using the "other" handle and saw your SECOND vote suddenly appear. Yoiu are as crooked as your commission.

"Of course, the mouth of the south will be screaming foul in bold type the whole time but he cant come up with a better qualified candidate to conduct the audit now can he? "

Need I post the article about your ailment? That causes brain malfunction and mood swings? Not being a wise-arse, just wanna explain to the people you have no control and shouldnt be blamed for your irrationality.



Pgc is a fraud. Guess you dont like it and clearly have a vested interest. Someone you know close friend or family who is involved in the deciet... I dont care. Fraud is fraud. It will be pointed out. Get over it whiney. It appears only 1 person actually trusts this audit, seems either you didnt vote or you dont trust it either since Bowtruck was the one vote that said he thought it legit.;)

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C'mon, BTB. I actually have more respect for you than this. When I see a glowing red coal in a fire pit, I can see it glowing red hot and even feel it's heat fromsome distance....I don't really have to pick it up and get the third degree burns on my hands just to prove what I already knew. Likewise when my dog leaves a present on the lawn, I know that even though it may somewhatresemble a bigtootsie roll, that it is really just so much dog #&%@, and it smells just like you would expect from something that came from a dog's rear end, and I'm not much for putting it in my mouth out of morbid curiousity or for giving it the benefit of the doubt at that point. Too much damning evidence too ignore at this point, my friend. I too was hoping for an unbiased audit, but it isn't gonna happen.

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It makes me wonder where you got that information . Only a small percentage of WMI's projects involved a similar comprehensive review of a states deer management plan. Much of WMI's work involved studies on game birds which involve much different issues than deer management. They even did a report on restoring the pheasant population in PA.

The issue here is that WMI has a conflict of interest and the time to raise that issue is before the audit is conducted , not after it is completed. The issue regarding any bias in the audit will ultimately be determined after the audit is completed.

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Zactly bb.:D

Absolutely nothing good can come from a 100% biased audit, when all it need do is lean slightly one way or another to thoroughly screw the sportsmen of our state.

As for the pgc yes man and his comment on me finding another auditor, I said it once and I'll say it again... I didnt recieve the bids. And if noone were qualified and unbiased, you dont do it. It would be 100% counterproductive. Hunters arent gonna trust it because its clearly biased, no responsible changes will be made, but hey, the crook commission will get their fee increase and that is all that matters to some, right? [:'(][:'(]

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Steel, I'm noy saying it should be taken as gospel or that it shouldn't be subject to intense scrutiny once done. Just to be fair, I can understand why you could be skeptical of ANY entity hired by ANY government agency to check out their practices. On the other side, WMI took the job knowing that their work would be under a microscope. All I'm really saying is that it's not fair or even helpful for anyone on any side to claim either a biased or anaccurate result till it's been produced for proper scrutiny.

To use your example in reverse, The pool scene from caddyshack comes to mind. Who knows maybe it will be a dog turd, but lets not drain the pool till we make sure it's not justa Baby Ruth;)

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Sorry if I upset you Corny. Ask mommy to put HNI on the restricted list if you can't handle it. LOL!

Desperation at it's finest. I signed on and responded to a thread asking where I was with exactly one post from a library with a "new" username (btbowhunter56) because my regular password is in my homecomputer memory but not mine.Membesr who've been around more than a few short months will remember HNI used to assignyour password.11 unrelated case sensitive letters. Written down in a notebook but not worthmemorizing when younever need it at home. Sorry if I made you paranoid by using a new username (once) while signing on at a library to resond to a member asking directly about me. You didnt seem to mind when one of your buddies was busted with 7 active usernames. You are indeed a pathetic paranoid whiner.

Not only do I have no idea what poll you claim I voted twice in, I havent bothered to vote at all inyour little poll. Till theres a result, this whole poll is just mental masturbation. But go ahead and have fun, till you go blind that is!

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LOL....I ain't draining the pool yet, just ordered the kids out and reaching for the skimmer to fish it out!:D

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And when you do, I would hope that any one and all of us would take a good look before either taking a bite or calling out the hazmat guys;)

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"Desperation at it's finest. I signed on and responded to a thread asking where I was with exactly one post from a library with a "new" username (btbowhunter56) because my regular password is in my home computer memory but not mine. Membesr who've been around more than a few short months will remember HNI used to assign your password. 11 unrelated case sensitive letters. Written down in a notebook but not worth memorizing when you never need it at home. Sorry if I made you paranoid by using a new username (once) while signing on at a library to resond to a member asking directly about me. You didnt seem to mind when one of your buddies was busted with 7 active usernames.

You are a hypocrite. You speak of the polls being skewed due to multiple id votes, yet havent proven ANYONE has done such, yet YOU did!! And you know damn well the poll I meant. The one you voted on the same day you registered your "alternate id". Now I couldnt care less, this is all meaningless, but it did show you to be a hypocrite and now a liar for claiming otherwise.... And btw, it wasnt "one of my buddies". I havent even a clue who it was, didnt know it'd even occurred other than you claiming it did. And we all know what your word is worth! LMFAO!! Sorry you dont like the fact the majority of PA sportsman wouldnt piss on the gameless commission if they were on fire because of all the fraudulent corruption occurring, but one of these days you will learn to live with it. With this fraud rubber stamp audit on the horizon, I dont see those feelings going away anytime soon.;)

"You are indeed a pathetic paranoid whiner. "
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The only tears I see are yours, as usual keyboard punk. Everytime someone points out the bullchit surrounding your gameless commission. Pull your head out of their arse. They dont need you defending their honor. Guys like you and other dishonest sorts like ecoextremists from audubon shissler etc. just make them look even worse. Running your yap only hurts their credibility further. Kinda like guilt by association.;)

". Till theres a result, this whole poll is just mental masturbation. But go ahead and have fun, till you go blind that is!"

And again with the sexual references. Are you that big of a sicko pervert? Some of us discuss the issues and dont care for the tasteless b.s. Can't you add to any discussion without being disgusting? Nothing says intellectual like a fur-faced past middle age out of shape balloot talking about masturbation.[:'(]

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Just cant handle anyone with a different point of view can ya?

Two words for ya friend.....anger management!

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ACtually that would be you my friend. Voicing points of view was exactly what we were doing until you threw your usual personal attack/pro-pgc fit.

Noone said a damn thing to you. No one personally attacked you. People were voicing their opinions on pgc and YOU didnt like them. Thats tough sh**! You jumped in with your bs. as was always your norm anytime anyone says anything about the mismanagement.

We were discussing the issues, and you jumped in FIRST, with; "crybabies", "a little premature to start with this whiney ass crap", "mouth of the south"...."whiners we have that are so screwed up..."

After all that....THEN and ONLY THEN did I retaliate to your nonsense. Im gonna talk about what the hell I want to talk about and if that draws namecalling and insults from you as you've always done in the past, so be it.

This audit is a fraudulent sham and so is the pgc.

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LMFAO! Not exactly sport. Here's some of your "points of view" before I entered this thread..........


Yep, another fair civil discussion of the issues with ole Corny but don't let anyone use similar words to dispute you. I can just see the spit a flying at your screen and the steam comin from your ears simply because there's folks out there who don't buy into all of your paranoia LOL


And then there's this gem...

I'd sayinstead.... this poll is a fraudulent sham and so is ole corny! LOL

Maybe you went and got yerself a dose of tick spit???..... been tested lately?;)

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Goodness gracious:D

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"LMFAO! Not exactly sport. Here's some of your "points of view" before I entered this thread.......... "

Yes, it was EXACTLY goof ball.


I spoke of the "proposal" and attacked NOONE with that statement, unlike you. It also wasnt directed to you, but to someone who felt as if they didnt like my opinion on another thread so brought a "jab" here. Which btw was none of your business to stick your fat nose in.;) and it was made days ago. Your excuses are about as valid as pgcs. Too uneducated to rebuff the facts and educated opinions given so attack the poster. But dont feel the need to make up lies and excuses for your usual asnine antics. You are well known here as are your ways. You wanna jab with insults? Go head. But dont cry foul when you get slapped in the mouth back with the same, whiney.[:-]

"simply because there's folks out there who don't buy into all of your paranoia LOL "

Ha ha ha. Good way to keep things light and humorous!:D As if the majority of hunters are as uneducated and up pgcs butt as YOU HA HA HA LMFAO!! Every single poll taken here has shown the opposite. As well as seeing it firsthand for anyone not completely blind in the real world. How many unfavorable pgc polls is it now??? A dozen or so? LMFAO!!By my count so far, I see 3 votes for your point of view. 3 out of 19 who trust the audit period. LMAO! I know bowtruck was one of the votes, and I wouldnt be surprised if the other 2 were both you. One with btbowhunter and the other vote your "camp id" At any rate, pretty funny stuff blatantly countering your wild claims.[:'(]


"Maybe you went and got yerself a dose of tick spit???..... been tested lately? "

You were the one who thought you had it.... And also the one who has shown the classic symtoms from your mood swings and borderline dimentia lack of memory, irrational erratic behaviour etc etc.. You claim you recently found out it wasnt lymes....Did you ever find out what was wrong? Smoke too much pot back in the 70's??:D

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Which word didnt you understand when I said I havent voted in this ridiculous poll. There's simply no point in voting on something so ridiculous.

Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was.Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?

You're amatuerish dancing around the facts trying to distract with name calling andbaseless rants kinda reminds me of a Pelosi press conference LOL

Maybe you need to up your valium dosage;)

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Facts? Please point out ONE valid fact on this topic in this thread that you've contributed...

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Please point out ONE post here that didnt contain insults.
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Every thread Ive seen on the topic of pgc deerless sham plan since long before I became a member, has had your pathetic attempts at "taking over" the conversation and turning away from your "beloved" pgc, with your raving and blind hatred of anyone who dares challenge the almighty pgc.

If you havent learned that doesnt stop me from telling the truth and pointing out the deciet and how big a farce this econut deer program is, then you're dumber'n I thought.[8D]

"Which word didnt you understand when I said I havent voted in this ridiculous poll. There's simply no point in voting on something so ridiculous.
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Apparently 19 others disagreed with you and voted.


"Oh and a quick click on that other screen name will show it was used once, 5 weeks ago when I signed on at a library to answer blkpowders thread specifically asking where I was. Sorry Corny, need something to wipe that egg off yer face again?"

[b]What egg? The only egg is the one in your throat which you are clearly choking on since your deciet was pointed out. You didnt just sign up for an id and post, you did what you claimed someone else did, you skewed a poll by voting multiple. You voted on the PREVIOUS poll AS I SAID, more than once. The only credit I will give you is that you didnt try to deny voting double on THAT one when you signed up for your other id. Funny part is, the pro-pgc votes were STILL the tiny minority, despite your efforts! LMAO!

This poll? Dont know, but I wouldnt take your word for it one way or another. You word is usually mistruth, and 99.8% of the time 100% meaningless.

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Glad you can count to one! The one glaring fact you cant avoid by any means other than distracting with your rants and tirades is that the audit hasn't started yet. Therefore a poll on the outcome is meaningless.


It's also fact that I havent taken a position on theaudit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced.In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out.Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of?

When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here.

It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more.If the firsthunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping andgetting spittin mad when they havent eventaken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening?

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" Therefore a poll on the outcome is meaningless."

The poll is no more "meaningless" than those asking about opinions of pgc, opinions on season structure that will never happen, or anything else...It simply asks if knowing what we now know about pgc, wmi, etc. Do you trust the results to be fair and unbiased at this moment in time. An opinion can be had in that area BEFORE an audit takes place based on what is known of wmi, pgc etc. I didnt ask if anyone thought they were gonna like or dislike the results. Though if there is reason why one doesnt trust the results, Id imagine there to be a very good chance they wont like the results.

"It's also fact that I havent taken a position on the audit's outcome. I havent voted here because the position I've taken on your imbecilic poll is that it is premature, useless at this point, and only serves to show that your mind is made up as to the results of something yet to be produced. In my exchange with SS, I readily said that it needs intense scrutiny when it comes out. Why can't you simply wait till it's out before you rant and stomp and call it a sham? What are you afraid of? "

Better question, why does my "ranting, stomping, and calling it a sham upset you? And I hear you saying about not having your mind made up, but I'll bet my thumbs that when that audit is complete, and the rubber stamp given all you will say smugly is "SEE? TOLD YA SO!" and it will not matter how the results are obtained.

"When it does come out, your comments will be meaningless because you have now proven that you have already decided on it's accuracy and credibility. Kinda reminds me of Specter voting for an 1100 page spending bill without reading it. You don't need facts to support your opinions and you're proving it here. "

I honestly HOPE that Im proven wrong. That will be easy to determine, though i have absolutely no doubt that you will dismiss any evidence that shows audit fraud. (LOL) Especially when the time comes and it is pointed out that some things might not have even been addressed, let alone addressed in appropriate problem solving manner.

"It's small wonder that some of the BOC doesn't listen to hunters any more. If the first hunters they hear from are guys like you who start ranting and stomping and getting spittin mad when they havent even taken the time to gather any real facts and form anything more than an opinion based on their own preconceived notions, who can blame them for not listening? "

Some of them do. The majority thanks to econut deck stacking have not. Nor will they. They didnt invest all this time and effort just to "abandon ship" now. The boc will continue to be stacked....Just ask our fine new antideer commissioner Putnam....(and while youre at it, ask him about those fine fellas at wmi whom hes worked with) The audit is biased. There is no way the econuts, audubon, timber, dcnr are gonna give up the strangle hold they have on us willingly, and going along quietly being led by the hand to our slaughter which theyve prepared wont solve a damn thing....at least not on OUR end.

And as for my positions, they are based on the facts. UGLY facts. My positions are WELL founded through much research of said topics. And as for THIS one, the only facts need be known is FACT 1. The audit was supposed to be unbiased and done because of high level of sportsmen dissatisfaction. FACT 2. Pgc and wmi share MANY connections and some of them are not pretty. And they include ties to pgc commissioner, pgc projects, Nitwit econut SHissler involved with deer plan and wmi, Wmi having taken part in audubon deer study shananigans, and more...

Those FACT are indisputable. The party who picked wmi is as crooked as the day is long and a dirty sob to boot.. Thats an educated opinion of these facts.;)


Could a chance exist that I be wrong about getting a "biased" result? Maybe, but imho very doubtful. But more importantly at the moment, the fact is, this cannot be considered an unbiased auditor with no connections right off the bat, so right off the bat, we shouldnt be risking everything from 90,000 tax payer money, to further screwing up our hunting heritage because you think all is well and good no matter who they pick to audit us to rubber stamp the sham.

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Cornelius and those of us that question the independency of WMI can't lose in this debate. If the WMI produces a truly unbiased audit it will point out all the lies and flaws in the current plan which will prove we were right in opposing the plan. If they give a rubber stamp approval of the PGC DMP it will prove we were right when we claimed they ha conflict of interest due to their previous work on promoting the plan.

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Or that your mind like your eyes are blinded d by reality get over it /:eek::eek:

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I see you are back to posting pure nonsense. It makes no sense to claim my eyes and mind are blinded by reality. I have no problem handling reality because it supports my position. When reality supports your position then you might have something to crow about.

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Corne, How can yousay i voted for something in a poll ? hmmm
Just a stomping little rant . [:@]like usual

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I was in the thread when you voted, you were the only one there and two seconds after the vote appeared, you disappeared. (LOL) and if you are saying you didnt, you are a liar. Go ahead...Deny it... So i can use my Bill Clinton pic! LMAO.

Shouldnt vote in a manner you are ashamed of. If you are not, that dont be a sniveling whiner and own up to it. Seems you are quite the trusting soul though. People like you get taken advantage of and fleeced because of their trusting nature every day. Shame, but that is an unfortunate sign of the times.;)

And no "stomping" or "ranting" cause I really couldnt give a rats a$$ how you voted. I just happened to be in the thread at the time.;) Though I now have a much better idea of your position on things....and your level of honesty.[:@]

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"Cornelius and those of us that question the independency of WMI can't lose in this debate. If the WMI produces a truly unbiased audit it will point out all the lies and flaws in the current plan which will prove we were right in opposing the plan. If they give a rubber stamp approval of the PGC DMP it will prove we were right when we claimed they ha conflict of interest due to their previous work on promoting the plan"

Bluebird, I agree 100%. I do think, though, that concessions will be made where "insignificant" changes that amount to basically nothing will be suggested, so they have at least something to point to so pgc and their supporters can say "see? they actually found fault!" And at the same time say "see, the plan was sound as we knew all along".

Nothing but a sham.

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Go right ahead and post whatever pic you like. Since you want to go that route, here's the one that best represents you and your posts

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[8D]

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+ =

And here, my friend, is what best represents you and yours...;)

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I could care less aboutthis particular debate but that is funny.:D

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whatever you want to say or think corne dont make one iota of a difference to me

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Good, then we will both be content. Because Im not concerned with appeasing liars.;)

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Spot on Bowtruck!

When Cornpone starts the bold type rants or starts screaming liar liar (which he seems to do early and often) it means he has been proven wrong or that he's frustrated once again thathe simply doesnt have anything meaningful to say.