Oops,Changes you would like for Pa.Hunting Season
 

I've been on thisforum for a short time.During this time, I have read some interesting topics and reply's and some off the wall as well.I've read some opinions already,on what hunters did ordidn't like,but they where in an unrelated topics. I'm trying to gather and direct these opinions to the proper topic.So I'm just curious to if and what changes pertaining to our hunting seasons,the viewers of this forum would like. I hope I'm not to late with this. I know the moderate weather, the upcoming fishing and spring turkey will be taking away viewer time.So here is mine: I would like to see smaller WMU's. Someone I believe already mentioned that the larger WMU's may be the contributor to the so called,cold spots! I would have to back that statement,but I also know,smaller WMU's would not be the cure all.IMO,smaller would be better. Next: The early muzzleloader/rifle during archery. Don't care for it. My reason,I've been on the receiving end of another hunters weapon.When I hear a rifle go off and notice the short visibility due to the heavy foliage,I almost go into panic attack.IMO, why couldn't it be moved to the week after archery season? Last: A better system of getting the actual numbers of the deer harvested. I haven't come up with one myself,but already have seen a couple ideas mentioned in other topics.That's it for me.I'm basically satisfied with everything else. Would like to hear other views on this topic.
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[/align]PS: Please lets drop the crossbow inclusion in this topic for now.We haven't experienced it yet and what effects this is going to bring.
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Personally, I don't want to see them remove the early doe season for inlines and muzzleloading rifles at all. As a matter of fact, I would like to see them allowed to take a buck at this time of year during the rut and if this has any impact on the overall health of the deer herd, then I would like to see them adjust the length of the existing archery, flintlock, inlineseason to account for it.

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There are a lot of good suggestions out there, most don't affect me because I hunt my own little patch of land. Reducing the number of days in four WMU's for antlerless deer, from twelve to seven, was a start. I think a little good faith effort on the PGC's part, would go a long way, to better manage the herd and put our trust back in them.

Until the PGC isuues seperate antlerless licenses for private and public land, Hr will continue on SGL's. Why, because the PGC has no control over their SGL, with respect to number of hunters and deer harvested, where private land owners controls their own future.

You will hear PGC supporters say that times have changed, yes they have and the PGC has less control over private lands than ever before, with more land being posted every year because of their decisions. It's time for the PGC to get off their high horse, they only control the herd on SGL, which is only a small part of the land in this state. No matter how many tags they issue, I'm not about to shoot every doeI see, I enjoy and expect to see deer when I go hunting, isn't our sport called hunting, not shooting?

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What state?

This forum is for the wholeNortheast - not just one state.
Steve

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Then post what you want about the state or states you hunt. My son purchased 90 acres in Tioga County N.Y. and built a home. He has a three point rule on his property, so therefore he would like the state to do the same. also nodoe were taken in the two seasons he has owned it. What are your feeling on that?

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I would like to see one buck per season (year)in NY. Three point antler restrictions does nothing.A large % ofyearling bucks have three points on one side. Four points on one side would be better.

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Smaller wmus should be a "given" but Rosenberry has been asked about this for years now and his reply is ALWAYS basically not gonna happen. Which in my opinion is absolutely rediculous. As long as smaller wmus were implemented and not treated the same as currently, with basic statewide doe tag carpet bombing, a significant portion of problems could be addressed.

Doe allocations need cut nearly across the board. Not just "public land" and not just one wmu. Currently the numbers prove that reduction has occurred since "stabilization" claims were made, and it needs addressed. Although some of the very worst areas are public land, Most of the state is NOT public land and some areas have much private land that is open to hunting, yet no desire of the landowners to manage for or against the deer herd. Private landowners wanting fewer deer have MANY tools at their disposal. red tag, dmap, and shoot 'em up day or night regulations now. I guess the problem lies in the fact that those provisions dont pertain to ecoextremist birdhuggers.;)

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I would like to see early inline moved to flintlock and just have 1 muzzy season. I would like bow to come in 1 week later and put that week at end of season. I would like to see doe tags cut and managed for a certain dpsm
that is good for hunters and deer. I would like to see doe cut to 3 days in most areas monday saturday, saturday
I would like to see the pgc stop bringing in mountain lions
maybe 12point bucks for all:D

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2week buck gun season ,3 days doe gun season and 2 months of bow , Either , keep the late flintlock season. /and one deer per hunter per year.

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Hell I wish they WOULD start stocking mountain lions. (LOL) Given the average quality of our buck, it would be about the only "quality" animal in this state to hunt.

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Also forgot xguns.... They need gone YESTERDAY.;)

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And compounds & in-lines as well.

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....Yeah...and rifles, shotguns pistols and recurves too I suppose.:eek:

I was a bit harsh in my statement about xguns. They did have an appropriate place. Until greed snatched the usage and permitted able bodies hunters to use them side by side with the handicapped.[:'(]

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My point is that archery and flintlock seasons were intended to be primitive weapon seasons. Now compound bows and in-lines are ok for some hunters while they criticize cross-bows.

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I agree completely about the inlines. They are fine in rifle season. Not in flint. The difference between an inline and flinter is similar to the differences between bows and crossrifles.;)

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But compounds are ok?

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IMHO the only change that will matter is a change in the priorities and attitude of the BOC. As long as they insist on putting the interests of DCNR,the timber industry and the Audubon above the concerns of the hunters, none of the changes suggested so far will improve hunting for the average PA hunter.

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Yep. Thats where I draw the line. They are twice the challenge of crossguns and you dont have the "type" user associated with it.


But judging by the response pgc got on the issue, most didnt want crossbows. They were shoved down our throats anyway. And no, I didnt see compounds ever being of the same magnitude of dissent.;) Like a couple of the boc who voted no said.... I see no upside. Just pizzing off hunters.

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Good point bb.

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RSB, I see you observing... Question for ya bud. WHY on earth are you trying to BUFFALO people over on hpa? In the ar/hr forum you state that pgc might go to smaller wmus if hunters would only PUSH FOR A LICENSE INCREASE so that they could....


Now you know that is nothing but a crock of....****! (LOL) Rosenberry has made it more than clear up to this point hes NOT interested in doing so. MONEY OR NO MONEY!!!

Tell you what.Let that joker change his tune, have a press release announcing the intentions of doing so in a manner that would permit county or smaller wmus if and when those funds are granted, and I'll be the first s.o.b to contact legislators to support a reasonable fee increase...

However you know as well as I thats wishful thinking. So please quit lying. Its a great disservice to the sportsmen of our state for you to tell them to support money for something they have zero chance of getting.[:'(] If you are willing to go to any lengths to get money for your employers, maybe you can stand in front of the local walmart with a collection can. At least it would be an honest way to go about it.;) Just dont let them know its for pgc, as youd probably only get monopoly money and chewing gum papers.

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The same thing could be said for the relationship between a long bow and a compound bow.

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SO?? Dont whine about where I draw the line. Petition compounds to be done away with if you like. If thats how you see compounds I trust you'll also be against crossbows which are even far easier to use and not even a bow? If so, I dont agree with you on the compound issue, but respect your opinion.

Ifyoure just using one of thecrossgunners most famous anticompound lines,just a bunch of nonsense hooey just to sugar coat your support of crossguns or that you dont like where I myself draw the line... sorry, Ive heard it all before and its no more valid now than previously.:D

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I'm not whining. You see, I can use a cross-bow whether or not they are included for the general population during archery season. But i get a kick out of people saying "here is where I think they should draw the line". This is called rationalizing. It fits my agenda - my modernized weapon is ok, yours isn't.

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No reason to bother - this is just anotherthread on Pa.
No one even botheredto respond with their state- just assume its all about Pa.

Steve

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Hey, what ever makes yourself feel better about using a crossbow.

Btw, my "modernized weapon' is aBOW and has been legal for 3 or 4 decades. (LOL)

My modernized weapon wasnt the one that had 90% saying they didnt want it and got it shoved down our throats anyway, in a time when more harvest is the last thing we need.

Saying a crossgun should be legal because a compound is... by your rationale, would mean a 300 ultramagshould be just as welcome in archery season, because a compound is easier to use than a longbow, and now with crossguns legal, they are easier than a compound by far, so what next? We GOTTA squeeze SOMETHING else in! (LOL).... Your rationale isnt very rational.;) Things were just peachy with archery season previously. Pgc hosed the sportsmen of Pa yet again.

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I just dont see why you would look down at people For using a legal weapon corne and others
It is not up to you what other guys may or maynot chose to use



stevebny guess there is just more pa ers here i dunno

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Look at the recognition of cross-bows as archery equipmentin the "Cross-bows will bring new blood" thread, as posted by SteveBNy.And saying that thingswere justpeachy? That's what I thoughtyears ago when they introduced compound bows. I didn't want them.

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So? Am I supposed to take one disgruntled pro-crossbow guys nonsense post as meaningful? (LOL)

Ive read so many posts about slob crossbowers that were legal users in the sras than any other single faction of Pa hunters! (LOL) Roadhunting, taking far too long of shots, traipsing into the woods at 8 am with cigarette lit talking loudly. lol....

I dont support crossgun use in Pa for very good reasons. DOnt like it, and want my "approval"Tough. Talk about compounds falsely. That'll even the score! (LOL)(LOL)(LOL) You guys truly are a funny bunch. (LOL) Anyway, Im done on this topic for now. Its a done deal. Pgcs made their mess now we must live with it. Theyre legal, but I have zero respect for the handful of able bodied lazy oafs that begged for the shortcut,or forthe handful of complete antideer, nonhunter friendly commissioners that have been a thorn in Pas side for the last several years.;)

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"It is not up to you what other guys may or maynot chose to use "

Thanks for stating the obvious. If hunters had their say, they wouldnt have been legalized.

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No Corny, Im not talking about one man's opinion. Refer to the quotethat I just posted in the "Bring new blood" thread. Cut and paste won't work for me again in this forum.

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http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3351638&mpage=4

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Sure Corny, 2 engineers describing the physical difference between the 2 versus acceptance by recognized organizations. Sure.

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They could never make 4 points on one side in for the whole state of NY, some areas just have god awful genetics, this isent iowa or illinois where its about the same all over...The place i hunted this year they took a 4.5 year old 6 point buck, and a two 2.5 year old forkhorns.

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As this thread asked solely what each of our opinions are as to what we each would like in our perfect little world, here is mine.

-Smaller WMU's
-BOC that doesn't sell us out to the tre huggers and timber cos.
-Higher DD in most WMU's.
-No Xbows unless you need one, or you can use it during late season or general rifle.
-Optional Trophy buck tag...cost around $40 ...must have minimum spread and point count.
-Late season includes crossbows and in lines.
-Early ML becomes flint only, no scopes.
-Archery season runs one more week at the end. (The "down week" prior to bear season has alwayspuzzled me, and many years robs us of peak rut bowhunting opportunity.)

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I would like to see a longer Bow season and a state wide 4 points to one side on all bucks. No In-lines during archery season and a late Trad Bow only season in Feb. Do away with the 2 week rifle Buck season and make it Bow only:D Just kidding!!!!


Hatchet Jack

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Smaller WMU's

Mandatory call in or online harvest reporting within 24 hours of harvest. (feasible once the POS licensing is up and running)

Seperate crossbow license and tracking. If the crossbow skews the archery harvest, shorten the season as needed for that weapon.

Lengthen archery season by adding a week at a time to the early season until the archery harvest is proportionate to the gun harvest as measured by hunter percentages.

Change the selection process for the BOC to better allow for hunter input

Mandatory bowhunter ed for all new hunters using a weapon that propells a bolt or arrow

Put in a COLA type structure for license fee increases

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I respectfully disagree. At the risk of turning this into a another dreaded crossbow thread, I disagree. We are currently beyond the decision as to allowing crossbows or not allowing them. Like it or not, they are here. Now that they are here, they should be considered as archery equipment and should be fully included in the archery season. If the use of the crossbow is having adverse affects on the harvest then the lenght of the archery season should be adjusted. There should be no distinction made between the crossbow and the compound. I know that is not what you want to here and that you don't like it but, that is the way it currently is and I hope it remains that way. That is my opinion and you are free to disagree with it as much as you want.

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Man,I would go for this one in an heartbeat!!

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BTB,what is a COLA type structure for license fee increases?

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Maverick, the first thing I would like to know about you, do you bowhunt?