RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

No one has ever known how many deer there were in any state at any given time in history and if they did it would be changed within about five minutes anyway.

It isn’t even important to know how many deer you have when the deer and their food supply are telling you if there are the right amount, too many deer or if the food supply and habitat could possibly support more deer. It is nearly as important to know how many there are is it to know when you need to harvest more, fewer or maintain a stable harvest.

The deer give you those answers when you monitor them. It makes much more sense to listen to what the deer and habitat have to say then to listen to what hunters have to say. They listen to the hunters so long we have many areas today with very low deer numbers. Listening to the deer works much better because deer don’t have anything but real facts to present while hunters present lots of opinions with almost no supporting facts.

Wise people will put more faith in listening to the deer and their food supply then the hunters.

R.S. Bodenhorn
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Interesting. Now how do you go about to determine deer capacity per WMUs? You just said you listen to the deer but yet do you all really do? Do you observe every deer at every SQM and habitat? Get real now on the procedures your trying to sell the people. Lets look at the worse habitat in 2G and dictate that for all of 2G. Great work there buddy. What a moron.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

It would appear that we have the USP's public relations officer on board here now, exhibiting the level of intelligence and class that the organization is known for.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Holy S..T! LOL![/align][/align]Talk about giving a person a warning before he scrolls down the pages! My fricken beer is down my chin,over the keyboards [/align]an afd sd jsb;b pvad'9 p9w4aerara .Sorry about that! Trying to clean the keyboard so my wife don't kill me. ;)Thanks BTB!! :)[/align]Darn keys will probably be stuck in place by tomorrow morning. Oh my god that animation is hilarious![/align]

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You're welcome blkpowder!

Hope you get the keyboard cleared up before the wife catches you!

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

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If you go back to the previous page and read those links, I already provided your questions will be answered, at least they will be provided you could read beyond the comprehension level of a moron. Ah, buddy?

R.S. Bodenhorn

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Once again you are dead wrong and you have proven you have no idea why 2F is being managed at almost twice the density as 2G ,when 2G has better regeneration than 2F.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

If you go back to the previous page and read those links, I already provided your questions will be answered, at least they will be provided you could read beyond the comprehension level of a moron. Ah, buddy?

R.S. Bodenhorn
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Maybe you should read this and check the facts again. Anyone else see the lies in this?



DEER HEALTH, FOREST HABITAT HEALTH, DEER HARVESTS, AND DEER POPULATION TRENDS BY WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT UNIT (Job 21001 PDF)
Abstract: We monitored Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) deer health, forest habitat health, and deer population trends using reproductive parameters from road-killed does, advanced tree seedling and sapling regeneration (ATSSR) from the Pennsylvania Regeneration Study, deer harvest estimates and compositions, and field studies. During the summer and fall of 2007, epizootic hemorrhagic disease, or EHD, was detected in deer in southwestern Pennsylvania. WMU 2A had the greatest number of reported deer deaths during the outbreak. Because the Game Commission uses information from hunters to assess deer population status, we conducted a survey to learn more about the affect of this EHD outbreak on deer hunting in WMU 2A. Deer health was judged to be “above target” in 2 WMUs, “at target” in 19 WMUs, “below target” in 1 WMU. Forest habitat health was judged to be good in 2 WMUs, fair in 15
WMUs, and poor in 4 WMUs. Hunters harvested 323,070 deer (109,200 antlered and 213,870
antlerless) in the 2007-08 deer seasons. Deer populations in most WMUs remained stable. Antlerless allocations were designed to reduce the population in 3 urban/suburban WMUs, increase the population in 3 WMUs, and keep the population steady in all remaining WMUs. We recommend the continuation of current regulations to monitor deer populations, and modification of antlerless allocations to change the antlerless deer harvests.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

well said.

i feel the in-line season should be in regular gun season.

week before in-line season i have hunters STINKING up the area i hunt looking for a doe to shoot the week of doe oct in -line season.

the buck go NOC-TURNAL.

so, thats 2 weeks that i am out of commission in archery.


if we had LOTS of deer,i would be first to say, LETS KILL FEW DOE OFF IN OCT,but thats not case in wmu2g.

just to much doe killing .

we are allowed 12 dpsm in clinton, sprouls rough figure its around 4 dpsm.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Sproulman,do small game hunters and their dogsstink up your woods and forrce the bucks to go nocturnal or do the small game hunters all just roadhunt?

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

yes, small game hunters do.

i am lucky, no small game where i hunt my buck in archery,only IN-LINE PESTS.:)

this is why when i grouse hunt,if i see a truck parked ,i go elsewhereas i know i will STINK UP that guys hunting area.;)

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

sounds like courtesy to me.;)

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

thanks, douge thinks i amsomeone that just got off bus.:)

the bucks that are left now in wmu2g are older and wiser.

they are also being hunted harder than in past because there are so few of them.

its tough, i have to change scents because if the buck is spooked at scent i have out, HE IS NOT COMING BACK ,AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT BE VERY CAUTIOUS.

so, i switch scents too, from code blue to tinks to whitetail inst etc.

i almost dont hunt the week before in-line and in-line week.

if i learn how to post pictures on here, i will show douge baby what hunting is like before that 2 week time and during the 2 week time on muzz thing in oct.

its like night and day and almost impossible to get a buck to show his colors in those 2 weeks.

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Hmm,I'm surrounded by hundreds of thousands of public land in the same WMU as you.I'm also within minutes of the largest population center in this part of the state.You would think that would mean people really stinkin up the woods and having the deer all run to Ohio.Not so Sproul baby.Years ago,especially back inthe 80's and early nineties,there were tons of small game hunters and turkey hunters in the fall woods.I used to have to adjust my tactics back in those days and take advantage of escape cover on the opening day of small game season.I can honestly say,In the last 10 years,I haven't run into one other hunter,inline or small game,during archery season.There is no doubt what so ever that we used to see far more pressure during small game season than we do now with inline hunters.On top of that,a deer does not recoginze whether someone was shooting at a deer or a grouse.Deer are being pressured much less today than in the past.Even during rifle season,it's rare to see someone in the woods after the second day.that didn't used to be the case.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Why would you have to switch scents because of inlines?Surely you not trying to say that all those "doe" hunters are trying to lure in other does with doe in heat scent.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

you have your scent out.

the wiser buck gets wiff of a in-line hunter.:)

that buck is not coming back to that scent as easily as he did FIRST TIME.

so, you have to play with your scents.;)

why do you think someone will say,BOY SPROUL,THAT BUCK CAME RUNNING TO MY TINKS SCENT, I USED TO USE CODE BLUE ETC.

why, becasue he was not spooked on the tinks but was on code blue.;)

i won a few bass tournaments using things the REGULAR crowd was not using.

i would tell everyone what i used.

1 month later you could not catch a bass on that scent ,why, THE BASS ARE AS SMART AS OLD WISER BUCK BUT BOTH MAKE STUPID MISTAKES AT TIMES AND GET WACKED.

DOUGE, as you can see i know my deer hunting and what was and now what is.

i still learn a few things here from rsb,corny, bluebird,btb,rwj.

i even am going to DEER SCHOOL, yes, ole sproul is going to college:D:D:D.

april 4th at hyner,pa i will be learning why we have too many deer in wmu2g,isnt that a hoot.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Personally, I don't use estrous svents any more. With so many using them, I firmly believe that the vast majority of mature bucks have learned to avoid them. That doesn't mean they wont work occasionally, butmy experience has been that it seems that most bucks older than 2.5 get very wary around most commercial scents.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Why would you use doe estrous when youcan produceyour own a few days out of themonth btbuthunter?

Now your an expert on scents and alot of deer over 2.5 yrs.
How did you come up with this now? Now btbuthunter has expertise in the age of deer over 2.5yrs old. All this since the AR began how few a years ago? When did you notice the increase in the 2.5 and older bucks there btbuthunter? It couldn't of been more than what,3 years ago because from what you experts said there wasn't many 2.5 or older bucks around before AR? You became an expert in what,2 maybe2.5 years on 2.5+ bucks and scents they are use to smelling. What a joke some are on here. You must stay at the holiday inn quite a bit when your wife kicks you out for being a wanna be know it all. I am not surprised you would make up BS that you don't have a clue about.You been doing it for a while with the other pgc arse kissers on here for a while. Damage control squad is alive and well on this site.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

scorp,respectfully,btb is right on this.

we are just putting out too much scent in woods.;)

then when a hunter walks in or out and spook buck like the INLINE HUNTERS do:)that buck LEARNS to avoid that scent.

i seen it a lot LATELY do to all scents now used and hunters not staying downwind when moving thru woods to treestands etc.

if BTB is not correct, rest assured i will comment, but on this one, HE IS CORRECT.

i bet ole douge baby dont like btb comment also.

hehe:D

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Now if that was the case sproul. Wouldn't the AR program be a waiste of time and doe in heat etrous should be outlawed because the mature bucks wouldn't breed with the does and only the young and stupid ones would be visiting the does in heat? Think for a minute. No mature bucks coming to does ready to breed because they are scared of does in heat from scents? Only the young bucks will rush in and be the first to breed with the does while the older bucks seeds dies off from not breeding?

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

Does your mommy know you're playing with her computer?

Yourposts are nothing short of imbecilic. You could indeed be the poster child for the USP.

You have no idea what you're talking about or who you're talking to. Although I have killed my share of bucks up to age 5.5 in PA, much of my experience with 3.5 and older bucks has been in states where bucks have a chance to get that old.

Why don't you go ahead and dazzle us with some of your knowledge of mature whitetails bucks LOL LOL!

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Oh,We are among an expert hunter here now. What is the name of your tv show there btbuthunter? Now here he goes again. Ok now you aprove and like the AR program because of what reason? If you was taking 3+ yrs buck before AR,Then why would you support it now?Seriously,You want a 3+ yrs behind everytree or what is the purpose of your support for it? For someone like your self to get that many mature bucks in PA. Now did they come from public or posted private property btbuthunter? Dig yourself your hole now. Before you was on public and from your comment you are hunting private for your mature deer here in PA. Can't you make up your mind? Caught in more lies ther btbuthunter from your reply. I think you got PA confused with illinois there btbuthunter. You are so confused you don't know what way to point your pecker. Pathetic liar. What time of year do you hunt in illinois and what season? This should be good.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

A smart hunter doesn't need to be an expert on scents! If they are not producing the desired results, don't use them!
Have noticed the same results the past couple years. When using bottled scent, the older boy's want to hang down wind and look for the doe. If they don't spot her,they leave.Maybe this is where a decoy would be affective?Already have enough stuff to carry on a bowhunt!Having much better results with the older bucks by focusing on primary doe feeding and bedding area's. Especially starting around October 25. Also make sure I have my deer calls.Buck and doe tube call,also my rattling horns.[/align]

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

scorp, in last few years almost all mating, i feel is done after dark.

week of rut,last week usually you see bucks acting much different than the in-line weeks i talked about in october.

at that time, any goes .

now, we are talking in wmu2g, things i see may be different in other areas of state and pressure they get.

after woods is calm and after dark,these spooky bucks will make their way out.

if woods is not invaded with small game hunters and in-line doeboys,yes, things will be a lot different.

i have it nice until the in-line doeboys show up to scout and then hunt next week.

then after they leave, it takes a week or so forr bucks to get back to normal again,somewhat.

but in their mind,i feel they dont forget that scent that they were scared away with,it stays with them i feel.

this is why my buddy who raises deer uses his own scent, he does better than most in archery, why, because his scent is new to old buck,

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

yes, a doe decoy is the ticket even tho i have one and dont use it.

if buck comes crashing in on you most likely he will stop about 30/35 yds from your stand.

for whatever reason he is usually behind some brush with only a neck shot.:(

if he does not see doe, he is history and will bust out of there pronto.

once he does, you better move your stand, its that simple.

cause he aint come-in back.

i use ladderstands and its hard to move them but i do.

new location will do wonders on that buck.

but i agree, i should use my decoy, i believe that buck i left go last year would have moved to 25 yds if i had decoy up.

you know, i think that bugger made it thru the season,i am seeing new rubs and its a RIO GRANDE thats doing it.

so, he should be over 3 yrs old which is not typical in area i hunt.

nothing makes it by 2.5 yrs here.

RE: Changes you would like for Hunting Season
 

YOU NEVER END ON THE USP THING.

YOU WANT TO SEE PGC/DCNR WANNABEES IN ACTION GO OVER TO THE HPA SITE AND READ INFO ON THEIR PICK FOR NEW GAME COMMISSIONER.

SOME EVEN DONT HUNT DEER AND ARE ANTI-DEER TRUE AND BLUE.

HIS IDOL AND MENTOUR WAS THE BIOLOGIST THAT CALLED OUR DEER,MAGGOTS.

NOW, THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE WORKED UP ON ,NOT USP.