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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
BTB says you are wrong and I agree I'm gonna frame that statement and hang it on the wall. The GC continues to control or even reduce the herd with allocations very successfully. The absence of hunters is a doomsday scenario that could happen, but not in thepredictable future. License sales have increased in Pa, bucking the national trend. There are plenty of interested folks out there as of presstime. Bob was stating the possibility exists, butI doubt he is making that prediction at this point. Big difference. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: bawanajim Two parcels of the woods I own were timbered before I bought them. both were select cut for saw quality logs,the results are the poorest of seed trees being left standing. Its plan to see after select cutting over the years the quality of trees remaining deteriorates.By cutting the biggest and best every time the poorer genetics and faster growing soft species take over. For me this is not a big factors as we burn a lot of fire wood as do several friends,although not preferred, soft maple burns well and there seems to be a never ending supply of it,so just like growing a garden you must keep up with the "weeding" if you want a good crop. Much of PA's woods could use a good weeding.;) |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: livbucks ORIGINAL: bawanajim Two parcels of the woods I own were timbered before I bought them. both were select cut for saw quality logs,the results are the poorest of seed trees being left standing. Its plan to see after select cutting over the years the quality of trees remaining deteriorates.By cutting the biggest and best every time the poorer genetics and faster growing soft species take over. For me this is not a big factors as we burn a lot of fire wood as do several friends,although not preferred, soft maple burns well and there seems to be a never ending supply of it,so just like growing a garden you must keep up with the "weeding" if you want a good crop. Much of PA's woods could use a good weeding.;) |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: livbucks BTB says you are wrong and I agree I'm gonna frame that statement and hang it on the wall. The GC continues to control or even reduce the herd with allocations very successfully. The absence of hunters is a doomsday scenario that could happen, but not in thepredictable future. License sales have increased in Pa, bucking the national trend. There are plenty of interested folks out there as of presstime. Bob was stating the possibility exists, butI doubt he is making that prediction at this point. Big difference. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
f the PGC was right in reducing the herd in 2 G to 8 DPSM are they wrong for managing the herd in 2F at almost twice that number? Should all the NC WMUs be managed at 8 DPSM? If the percent regeneration is an accurate representation of forest health , maybe you would like to explain why 5C only has 23% regeneration, which is the poorest in the state, and it has some of the best soils in the state and unlimited food for the deer. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
"License sales have increased in Pa, bucking the national trend. "
WRONG! The sales decreased at over DOUBLE the national average from 2001 to 2006 because of the deer plan, and this past year, ourlicense salesdeclined yet again. The only national trend we are bucking is with the implementation of an extreme treehugger initiated deer plan that has helped our numbers decrease. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The fact is the deer and their food supply have proven time after time that you are wrong. Your preferred method of deer management does not work for the long term, and that failure for the long term is exactly what got us to where we are with low deer populations in so much of the northern tier today. Explain that one if you can. Here is another quote from the SCS Report. With few exceptions, the state-wide deer density in Pennsylvania has exceeded 25 deer per square mile since the late 1920’s. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
This program has been underway for nearly a decade and the only documented data pgc has in regard to the plans working is declining breeding rates. Thats pretty pathetic.
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: Coalcracker ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The fact is the deer and their food supply have proven time after time that you are wrong. Your preferred method of deer management does not work for the long term, and that failure for the long term is exactly what got us to where we are with low deer populations in so much of the northern tier today. Explain that one if you can. Here is another quote from the SCS Report. With few exceptions, the state-wide deer density in Pennsylvania has exceeded 25 deer per square mile since the late 1920’s. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: livbucks That, and large scale clearcutting falling out of favor. You are very much correct on that. The court injunctions that stopped the cutting on the ANF for all those years has had a very harmful affect on the habitat and its ability to support the number of deer it once did. As those old clear-cut areas grew into pole timber with no new clear-cuts to replace them the areas that had been supporting 60 or more deer per square mile reverted to habitat that could only support about five deer per square mile. That was and still is a large part of the reason we have so many fewer deer in many areas. That elimination of the clear-cuts, and great reduction in all cutting, has also resulted in less snowshoe hare and grouse habitat as well. Even though the court injunctions were only against the Allegheny National Forest it also affected a lot of the things, such as clear-cuts and even aggressive timber management cutting that had been occurring on state properties as well. Everyone became more cautious of their cutting practices from that day forward in order have their practices defensively sustainable in a court. That alone limit’s the amount of cutting that can be done unless you have more foresters and others to do the environmental impact statements now required. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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