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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Classic Bluebird twisting of the facts. One lone paragraph does not give a representation of Penn State Forestry School's position on deer and regeneration and you know better. Their position has been that deer have a very large impact. For all we know, it's probably all through whatever report you clipped this little sound byte from |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel If deer, other wildlife, and the forest itself co exist in harmony for over 80 years at densities of 25dpsm, and suddenly in the last ten years, that same forest can no longer support a fraction of that many deer AFTER 80 YEARS!!!!! It doesn't take a genius to figure out that another factor has come into play and altered that relationship, and it's not the deer. Two possible factors being forest management and pollution. WE are still learning much about how pollution is affecting our planet. Can bad air quality affect certain species of plant regeneration, as well as acid rain? There is a a broad area of the Rothrock SF where poor red oak regeneration has been specifically attributed to acid rain, and that assessment came straight from DCNR. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Here is the link to the report by the SCS. The quote is from the first paragraph on page 11.
http://www.scscertified.com/PDFS/forest_statepenn.pdf |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Classic Bluebird twisting of the facts. One lone paragraph does not give a representation of Penn State Forestry School's position on deer and regeneration and you know better. Their position has been that deer have a very large impact. For all we know, it's probably all through whatever report you clipped this little sound byte from  LOL here you go... http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/freepubs/pdfs/uh145.pdf http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/news/resource/res2008/08-1217-naturenotes.aspx http://www.dnr.cornell.edu/ext/info/pubs/management/PA%20Regenerating%20hardwood%20forests.pdf http://psuforestmgmt.cas.psu.edu/regeneration.htm http://aginfo.psu.edu/News/2004/12/forests.html http://www.extension.org/pages/Young_Penn_State_Researcher_Immersed_in_Pennsylvan ia_Deer_Study Not all these links are straight to PSU school of forestry but all these links are either to Penn State or someone citing their research and ALL name deer as a significant factor in forest regeneration. It took just a few minutes to find these. There are most likely dozens more at least |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
No , I am not busted. I already had those articles on fencing bookmarked on my computer. I simply posted the quote to show the apparent effects of deer on regeneration varies depending on the author of the report.. The report I referenced didn't even mention over browsing, while the reports you listed were intended to emphasize the impact of deer on regeneration. Different authors with different agendas.
Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001? |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Yes, you are busted once again!
You presented one paragraph and tried to pass it off as evidence that Penn State didnt consider the negative effects of deer on regeneration. You said: Note, there is no mention of a problem of over browsing by deer!!!! |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
No , I am not busted. I already had those articles on fencing bookmarked on my computer. I simply posted the quote to show the apparent effects of deer on regeneration varies depending on the author of the report.. The report I referenced didn't even mention over browsing, while the reports you listed were intended to emphasize the impact of deer on regeneration. Different authors with different agendas. On the topic of deer impact on regeneration, deer arent the only factor, and its debatable wether or not there are more significant factors that magnify deer damage. Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001? |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
[blockquote]quote: Furthermore, despite all the doom and gloom claims about overbrowsing the article I referenced shows that the amount of forested acres is still increasing. How is that possible when we had a record number of deer in 2001? [/blockquote] Very good question. One which deserves an answer, yet will most likely conveniently go ignored! (LOL It's a tired old tactic to change the subject when a lie is confronted and proven. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Here is the link to the report which I quoted and you obviously haven't read.
http://pubs.cas.psu.edu/FreePubs/pdfs/uh097.pdf So big deal, you managed to find one paragraph where deer werent mentioned. The fact that you would even try to post just that one small snippet as evidence that Penn States researchers dont consider deer is simply ridiculous. It just proves once again that you will go to any length to perpetuate your warped agenda. Once again it is you that is busted for falsely accusing me of taking the paragraph I quoted out of context and misrepresenting the content of the report. We all know that all foresters consider deer to be a potential problem regarding regeneration, but the report I quoted clearly shows that the deer have not been devastating our forests for the past 80 years. Here is another quote from the report citing the increase in forested land. According to U.S. Forest Service inventories, forest areas are actually increasing in Pennsylvania. Forest area throughout the Commonwealth is currently at its highest level since the late nineteenth century. In the heavily populated Southeast, forestland increased more than 6 percent between 1978 and 1989. Likewise, it increased 4.5 percent in the Northeast and 3 percent in the West. Even in the Poconos, an area of rapid population growth, total forestland increased 1 percent. Today, about 60 percent of Pennsylvania is forested. |
RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Winter kill.
I wonder why it died?  |
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