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I couldn't agree more Greg. The most productive areas we hunt in 2F are in and around active or recent logging areas.

I know far too many guys up there that cling to the same old favorite stretch of woods even though the habitat has changed drasticallyand wonder why it doesn't produce like it did 30 or 40 years ago.

My dad was one of those guys. I love him to death, but when I was a very young hunter, he kept insisting we hunt the favorite spots of his youth because "it was always good here". It wasn't till I started finding my own hunting turfthat I startedharvesting deer consistently. I had to figure out what to look for by trial and error and did Ok but many of my old favorite spots have been abandoned for greener pastures wit good results.

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But the methodology exists and is being implemented to compare the rack size of 8 pt. buck or 10 pt. buck in each age class to pre-AR buck with the same number of points. There is no doubt that the PGC has this data but will not release it. But,if they don't have the data then they aren't doing their job.

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LOL!In a mere two sentences you managed to contradict yourself again. Come back and post when youactually know what you're trying to say.

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There is no doubt in my mind that they have the data since they have teams checking deer every year. But if they failed to collect ,compile and compare the data then they are incompetent.

BTW, there is no contradiction in what I said ,since I said , "if they don't have the data." I did not say they don't have the data , because there is no reason to believe that they don't have the data. If they aren't collecting the data than they are intentionally avoiding the issue because they know it is likely to show that average rack sizes decreased just like in Miss.

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liv
Till last year not really but a neighboring land owner had a company in doing a good stoke of cutting last year
My land typically is logged every 7 to 10 years i have a state forrester comes in and she marks what
needs to come down then its bid out throu them has good terms logging roads graded off when there
done and such been 9 years since they have been here. Right now i am holding off waiting for prices to go
up some thou

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But , there are always two sides to every story. Even the areas with the poorest habitat would have more deer than they have now that the herd has been reduced by 40-50%. if a hunter was hunting a stand of saw timber 30 years ago with good success and now that same stand of saw timber isn't producing similar results, the reason is that HR reduced the herd even though the habitat could support a lot more deer.

The average carrying capacity of a northern hardwood stand is over 40 OWD PSM. But 2G is being managed at 8 DPSM, 2f is under 20 DPSM and no northern tier county is being managed at over 20 OWD PSM.

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We're not runnin' beef, we're hunting deer.
That density OW is outrageous.
Again, you are looking for massive herds to chase from one stumpsitter to the next. Bangity...bang,bang. boom......booom......whomp...woop..BANGBANG.....Bl am.

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40DPSM over winter in Northernhardwoods? That is simply delusional!

I agree that there are two sides to a story but your side to the story is so far out in left field it's beyond ridiculous. And in Northern hardwoods yet? WTF density are you suggesting for oak forest? For forest mixed with agricultural ground?

Your expectations are about as realistic as Bobby Rush's recent gun control bill[:'(]

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If I am delusional than Dr. David decalesta and the deer are also delusional because I am quoting that figure from his report. The herd in the NC counties peaked in 1939 at over 40 DPSM and then peaked again at around 45 DPSM in 1975. Studies in NY showed the MSY carrying capacity for mixed farms and forests was around 90 DPSM.

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And there you have it folks! Bluebird has revealed his underlying philosophy and agenda.

Sorry, BB! Pennsylvania's forests are not one big deer farm designed to produce ridiculous numbers ofunderfed stunted deer so that every member of the one day punkin army can once again see 50-100 dinky deer bounce around the woods like pinballs.

The only solution forsomeone with such a ridiulous deer density goal is to band together with like minded hunters and buy upand fence a bunch of property and start their own deer farm. I wish them luck in their endeavor.