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With densities that high they would need fenced. I would be afraid to drive a car over 25 mph.

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I participated in a suburban controlled bowhunt where the deer density, as determined by FLIR, was almost 100 DPSM in an 8 square mile township. They had over 200+ deer collisions per year.

Expecting those kind of deer densities will not only wreck our forests and ruin our farmers financiallyit will turn the entire non hunting public against hunters for wanting it.

Make no misatke about it, the only reason hunting has survived this far in our politically correct urbanized society, is that the VAST non hunting majorityviews us as a necessary evil. If we lose that position in their minds, our sport is toast! Demanding deer densities beyond a natural balance will do just that eventually.

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Right...we can't lose the "necessary" part.
The evil part is BS, but....

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You will not find one post by me where I said the herd should be managed at 40 DPSM. I just referenced that report to show that the herd is managed based on the RDDt, which is the density to promote max. sustainable timber production. It also shows why breeding rates didn't increase as the herd was reduced in the NC counties.

When you misrepresent what I post it just shows that you can't support the current plan based on facts and you can't explain why 2F is being managed at a much higher density than 2G even though it has poorer regeneration.

The MSY carrying capacity is the natural balance and RDDt is a subjective and unnatural goal.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Usually always sometimes.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Was that suppose to mean something or were you just doing finger exercises?

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

So, just what OWDD do you prescribe?

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If cougars, wolves and grizzly bears were present.
You need to think a little before you post.
There is no "natural" balance.
We changed all of that, so a new balance is needed to best serve the interests of all people.

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It is you that needs to think before you post. The natural balance today is based on todays conditions, not the conditions that existed 200 years ago.
The quality of the habitat determines the natural balance and some areas may only be able to support 20 DPSM while other areas may be able to carry 40 DPSM.

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And you feel the goal shall be based on what serves you.
MSY is subjective in any case. MSY at the expense of others.