Some nice bucks (pic)
02-25-2009 | 04:57 AM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
But your not smart enough to realize the age factor I mentioned had nothing to do with yearling bucks. But, it had everything to do with how many bucks survived to become record buck bucks at 4.5+. Hunting pressure is a huge determining factor controlling buck survival and we have over 350K fewer hunters than we had in the 1980s.
02-25-2009 | 07:19 AM
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Indeed, the very few I know personally who still make the trek to Potter and Tioga are getting some decent bucks now and again. And they should be. They are the only ones in the woods! One friend was fortunate enough to have off the entire first week of rifle....saw only two other hunters and they were in a truck on opening day. He killed a respectable eight point on thursday afternoon. However the entire week of hunting sun up till sun down, he saw one doe and two fawns other than the buck he shot. And he still hunts covering alot of ground. Fresh snow cannot lie. No tracks means no deer in the area. Folks from here in SE PA rarely travel as far north these days. In fact many are calling Perry the "new Potter." Only an hour's drive and more deer...(though the word is getting out.) Lack of hunting pressure is why you are seeing bigger bucks up north. many are disgusted and quit hunting as well. And why is this acceptable...larger bucks or not? For those that remain there is the reward of lower pressure, but only at the expense of your comrades. If the PFBC started stocking 5% of the trout statewide (shhh...don't give them any ideas!), no doubt many would hang it up in disgust...and those that remain would have what fish there are left to themselves. But the truth is that there would be too few fish to go around, and their success would only be realized because someone else bowed out. I don't relish personal success due at the expense of another. So if you find yourself all alone on a mountain in Potter co next fall, and happen to tag a good buck....think for a moment what it really cost when you drive past all the empty camps on your way back home. Ans ask yourself if that measured personal success was worth the cost.Unpressured deer ain't that hard to hunt anyhow.
02-25-2009 | 07:29 AM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
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Indeed, the very few I know personally who still make the trek to Potter and Tioga are getting some decent bucks now and again. And they should be. They are the only ones in the woods! One friend was fortunate enough to have off the entire first week of rifle....saw only two other hunters and they were in a truck on opening day. He killed a respectable eight point on thursday afternoon. However the entire week of hunting sun up till sun down, he saw one doe and two fawns other than the buck he shot. And he still hunts covering alot of ground. Fresh snow cannot lie. No tracks means no deer in the area. Folks from here in SE PA rarely travel as far north these days. In fact many are calling Perry the "new Potter." Only an hour's drive and more deer...(though the word is getting out.) Lack of hunting pressure is why you are seeing bigger bucks up north. many are disgusted and quit hunting as well. And why is this acceptable...larger bucks or not? For those that remain there is the reward of lower pressure, but only at the expense of your comrades. If the PFBC started stocking 5% of the trout statewide (shhh...don't give them any ideas!), no doubt many would hang it up in disgust...and those that remain would have what fish there are left to themselves. But the truth is that there would be too few fish to go around, and their success would only be realized because someone else bowed out. I don't relish personal success due at the expense of another. So if you find yourself all alone on a mountain in Potter co next fall, and happen to tag a good buck....think for a moment what it really cost when you drive past all the empty camps on your way back home. Ans ask yourself if that measured personal success was worth the cost.Unpressured deer ain't that hard to hunt anyhow.
Indeed, the very few I know personally who still make the trek to Potter and Tioga are getting some decent bucks now and again. And they should be. They are the only ones in the woods! One friend was fortunate enough to have off the entire first week of rifle....saw only two other hunters and they were in a truck on opening day. He killed a respectable eight point on thursday afternoon. However the entire week of hunting sun up till sun down, he saw one doe and two fawns other than the buck he shot. And he still hunts covering alot of ground. Fresh snow cannot lie. No tracks means no deer in the area. Folks from here in SE PA rarely travel as far north these days. In fact many are calling Perry the "new Potter." Only an hour's drive and more deer...(though the word is getting out.) Lack of hunting pressure is why you are seeing bigger bucks up north. many are disgusted and quit hunting as well. And why is this acceptable...larger bucks or not? For those that remain there is the reward of lower pressure, but only at the expense of your comrades. If the PFBC started stocking 5% of the trout statewide (shhh...don't give them any ideas!), no doubt many would hang it up in disgust...and those that remain would have what fish there are left to themselves. But the truth is that there would be too few fish to go around, and their success would only be realized because someone else bowed out. I don't relish personal success due at the expense of another. So if you find yourself all alone on a mountain in Potter co next fall, and happen to tag a good buck....think for a moment what it really cost when you drive past all the empty camps on your way back home. Ans ask yourself if that measured personal success was worth the cost.Unpressured deer ain't that hard to hunt anyhow.
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02-25-2009 | 01:52 PM
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""I only know a couple of guys who really hunt2A and they hunt southwest Greene but I gotta tell you that they absolutely rave about it. They have a small chunk of private ground next to a SGL and they wind up on the SGL most of the time because that's where they've been getting the deer. They have taken some darn fine bucks 125-140ish in recent seasons.""
I dont doubt that highly possible,espcially if the private land is managed well. Thing is though, thats certainly the long exception. After SIX long years with no scoring session, the largest typical bowkillthis pastscoring session for the greene county areawas in 130's.You can also see several hundred entries in the various categories on the pgc website andI dont think you need more than one hand to count thosefrom Greene.
What that tells me, is I dont care who it is, they arent gonna regularly knock down 125 - 140 class bucks here, now or previously. This isnt Ohio. A helluva long ways from it qualitywise. Course the foodplots and highly managed lands arent real widespread here yet, and imagine that could change things....If you can then find somewhere to hunt.
I dont doubt that highly possible,espcially if the private land is managed well. Thing is though, thats certainly the long exception. After SIX long years with no scoring session, the largest typical bowkillthis pastscoring session for the greene county areawas in 130's.You can also see several hundred entries in the various categories on the pgc website andI dont think you need more than one hand to count thosefrom Greene.
What that tells me, is I dont care who it is, they arent gonna regularly knock down 125 - 140 class bucks here, now or previously. This isnt Ohio. A helluva long ways from it qualitywise. Course the foodplots and highly managed lands arent real widespread here yet, and imagine that could change things....If you can then find somewhere to hunt.
02-25-2009 | 02:34 PM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
This is not a declaration of fact, merely an opinion based on some anecdotal non scientific facts. I know several guys who have shot scorable bucks since the last scoring session including myself and I don't know one who took his deer in. You gotta wonder how many guys just don't bother. Back even 10 years ago, a 125" buck drew a lot more attention than it does today. It could very well be that the scoring sessions weren't off the chartswith pure numbers simply because we've raised the bar.
02-25-2009 | 02:36 PM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
Sorry RSB,but your last post shows nothing to support any of your so called "professional" AR programs.The only thing that list show is if you wanted to kill a record book buck,you should have been hunting the SWpart of the state all along.A 4 point increase in average score compared to 1991-2000 don't amount to a hill of beans and it still doesn't match up to the 1981-90 average score.Maybe a few more in total #'s,but sure not the giant increase you'd have us believe.
02-25-2009 | 02:43 PM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
the ne area 3c,3b still see high hunting presure and there are still nice buck as before but i just happen to
see more nice buck than ever beforethe down side is hr more nice buck less doe
see more nice buck than ever beforethe down side is hr more nice buck less doe
02-25-2009 | 02:55 PM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
When AR's where astablished, when was the garuntee handed outthat anybodys name was going in the record book? Why thetwistonAR's data and the foundation of why it was instituted.The proof is out their, but for some reason,people wish not to accept it.Even though AR's where not established to put your name in the record books,many hunters have been enjoying the benefits of letting that buck go one more year.For "some", they did get their name in the record books.Regardless if the numbersdo not seem significant to some.The fact is: we have been killing bigger buck,both body weight and antlers,since the introduction of AR's.This season alone, I've seen more deer pushing the 200lb mark than I ever have. This is another added bonus to letting the buck'slive another year.
02-25-2009 | 03:00 PM
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RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
The farm deer, here in Lehigh County, are starting to move as are the turkey. Yesterday afternoon I counted at least 35 turkey inmy corn field behind the house,too bad I don't hunt turkey.
Received and e-mail from my son, he checked the cameras today. From Jan. 1, 2009 he had 10 pictures of deer, as of yesterday. From 5:55 PM yesterday until 3:30 AM this morning, he had 34 pictures of deer from three cameras, but none from the base camera which is beside the house.
Received and e-mail from my son, he checked the cameras today. From Jan. 1, 2009 he had 10 pictures of deer, as of yesterday. From 5:55 PM yesterday until 3:30 AM this morning, he had 34 pictures of deer from three cameras, but none from the base camera which is beside the house.