PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
02-18-2009 | 03:57 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
They also have no reason to know the names of all members. That was merely a pathetic attempt to delay proceedings and to possibly gain names to "look out" for when doing their "damage control" on sites like hpa. etc. Just one more dirty trick pgc attempted to pull. Last time the lawsuit was brought up, they stated the lawsuit shouldnt go forward because.....THEY OWNED THE DEER! (LOL)
Arrogant jacka$$es.
They also have no reason to know the names of all members. That was merely a pathetic attempt to delay proceedings and to possibly gain names to "look out" for when doing their "damage control" on sites like hpa. etc. Just one more dirty trick pgc attempted to pull. Last time the lawsuit was brought up, they stated the lawsuit shouldnt go forward because.....THEY OWNED THE DEER! (LOL)
Arrogant jacka$$es.
02-18-2009 | 04:01 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Any idiot knows when there's a lawsuit,the parties simply don't talk about it. Anyone who's ever been involved in any legal action would understand that.
What info did the PGC refuse to provide before this silly suit?
As for the request for member numbers, I chased down the real numbers. USP has right around 2000 actual card carrying members but they claim as many as 30,000 members based on club affiliations. they only managed to secure 13,000 signatures for their petition a little bit more that 1% of all hunters yet they claim to be in the majority
HA HA HA LOL.
The USP claims to represent PA hunters, the number of their membership is very relevant in the case. It's also relevant that the numbers be verifiable.
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
PGc is a fraud corrupt agency period. They should embrace the opportunity to "prove themselves" and not fight it if there is nothing to hide. PERIOD.
Also they did NOT become tightlipped only due to the lawsuit. There is much data not being made known, most noticably, though not limited to a herd estimate. Although they did blame the lawsuit for their refusal to cooperate with an audit. They make themselves look worse and worse all the time.
PGc is a fraud corrupt agency period. They should embrace the opportunity to "prove themselves" and not fight it if there is nothing to hide. PERIOD.
Also they did NOT become tightlipped only due to the lawsuit. There is much data not being made known, most noticably, though not limited to a herd estimate. Although they did blame the lawsuit for their refusal to cooperate with an audit. They make themselves look worse and worse all the time.
What info did the PGC refuse to provide before this silly suit?
As for the request for member numbers, I chased down the real numbers. USP has right around 2000 actual card carrying members but they claim as many as 30,000 members based on club affiliations. they only managed to secure 13,000 signatures for their petition a little bit more that 1% of all hunters yet they claim to be in the majority
HA HA HA LOL. The USP claims to represent PA hunters, the number of their membership is very relevant in the case. It's also relevant that the numbers be verifiable.
btb, we had 2500 in our local club a few years ago.
we raised the dues too 15 dollars and its now at 900 members and half are HIKERS,CANOERS,BIRDWATCHERS.
so, we lost around 2,050 HUNTERS and gained 450 HIKERS.
02-18-2009 | 04:06 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
PFSC is a big part of the problems we are having. Their blind support of pgc and their little group being run by environmentalists. Any supposed hunting group that takes in nonhunting conservationists is a sham and nothing more than staged coordinated pgc yes-men.
PFSC is a big part of the problems we are having. Their blind support of pgc and their little group being run by environmentalists. Any supposed hunting group that takes in nonhunting conservationists is a sham and nothing more than staged coordinated pgc yes-men.
02-18-2009 | 04:07 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
Here is another list that is a lot shorter.
The UBP supported the PGC's plan and as a reward the BOC voted to approve x-bows.
The USP is the only organization that has challenged the PGC in an attempt to hold them accountable and the court has ruled in favor of the USP and against the PGC.
The UBP supported the PGC's plan and as a reward the BOC voted to approve x-bows.
The USP is the only organization that has challenged the PGC in an attempt to hold them accountable and the court has ruled in favor of the USP and against the PGC.
02-18-2009 | 04:07 PM
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"The PGC has
Professional wildlifebiologists "
YEs. Highly biased and handpicked for a purpose. An extreme biodiverse purpose. A timber cashcow purpose.
"The facts "
None of which support the failed plan. In fact, just the opposite.
"Credible methodology supported by game agencies across the US "
Even many pgc supporters agree and have admitted on many occassionsthat the biological data is not sufficient in the qualities that are being obtained.
"Support of every major hunting publication across the US"
Nope. Your unfoundedopinion. In most cases they simply interview pgc personell. And they print whatever pgc tells them. Nothing more. Nothing less.
"A majority of hunters who know it's not perfect but agree that game should be managed by the professionals "
Including myself. And we also agree pgc is looking over us, and to other interests. They are also being run bytreehuggers and implementing unnecessary tactics. Most, including self, think its high time for a change, andwont except NOTHING as a substitute, unlike yourself and the other extremists.
"Gee I wonder who's gonna win"
I have no grand illusions of usp winning. Possible i suppose. But wether pgc is doing what is right or not for the deer and the hunter, doesnt hinge solely on the lawsuit. We have problems pgc could easily fix, but refuse to. The lawsuit doesnt even begin to address those concerns. Too narrow in scope most likely, and I have no knowledge of USP determination or preparedness. Im just a Pa hunter like hundreds of thousands of others sitting on the sidelines cussing pgc. Especially seeing them try so hard to weasel out of the lawsuit when Theyve already managed to weasel out of the audit due to refusing to cooperate and making excuses.
02-18-2009 | 04:08 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Here is another list that is a lot shorter.
The UBP supported the PGC's plan and as a reward the BOC voted to approve x-bows.
The USP is the only organization that has challenged the PGC in an attempt to hold them accountable and the court has ruled in favor of the USP and against the PGC.
Here is another list that is a lot shorter.
The UBP supported the PGC's plan and as a reward the BOC voted to approve x-bows.
The USP is the only organization that has challenged the PGC in an attempt to hold them accountable and the court has ruled in favor of the USP and against the PGC.
BLUEBIRD, YOU ARE RIGHT.
02-18-2009 | 04:20 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Already starting the damage control eh? Probably a good strategy considering the flimsiness of the whole thing
Lets make a little list of what each side has.....
USP
No science
their opinions
weak membership numbers
A grass roots group from a very smal field that has
predicted the demise of the herd for decades
doe harvests for decades
Jim Slinsky (lol)
Newsweek and Lily Huang (lol)
The PGC has
Professional wildlifebiologists
The facts
Credible methodology supported by game agencies across the US
Support of every major hunting publication across the US
A majority of hunters who know it's not perfect but agree that game should be managed by the professionals
Gee I wonder who's gonna win
Even rank amateur could present a good case against the PGC's plan, but I am not sure the USP will present the case based on PGC data and if they don't the may look pretty silly.
Lets make a little list of what each side has.....
USP
No science
their opinions
weak membership numbers
A grass roots group from a very smal field that has
predicted the demise of the herd for decades
doe harvests for decades
Jim Slinsky (lol)
Newsweek and Lily Huang (lol)
The PGC has
Professional wildlifebiologists
The facts
Credible methodology supported by game agencies across the US
Support of every major hunting publication across the US
A majority of hunters who know it's not perfect but agree that game should be managed by the professionals
Gee I wonder who's gonna win
BTB, THE majority of hunters i know are not in favor of the HR in clinton county.
very few support the PGC in this.
this is ANOTHER reason our club membership on HUNTERSwent from 2500 to 900.
our club backed the PGC/DCNR because they recieved 100,000 diollars from the DCNR.
THEN in came the HIKERS.
then the DCNR said to club.SPROUL YOU CANT USE MONEY FOR CLUB TO FEED DEER OR HABITAT,ITS TO BE USED FOR HIKING TRAILS
.WELL, there went 2,050 huntingmembers
02-18-2009 | 04:56 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
BTB, THE majority of hunters i know are not in favor of the HR in clinton county.
very few support the PGC in this.
very few support the PGC in this.
02-18-2009 | 05:10 PM
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RE: PGC WANTS USP MEMBER NAMES
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You still have 3 times as many deer as the PGC goal for 2B, which explains why you are fat ,dumb and happy.
You still have 3 times as many deer as the PGC goal for 2B, which explains why you are fat ,dumb and happy.