I believethe main focus of the USP suit isnot a matter of whether they were given information. I believe it's a matter of their not accepting what was furnished and questioning the methodology used in obtaining that information.

Do you have something to back up that claim or are you simply making things up as usual? Has the PGC released the data on breeding rates/WMU? Have they released the data on the effects of ARs on rack sizes? Have they refused to provide the current DD in each WMU? The PGC is doing back flips trying to hide the data produced by a failed plan.

The back up is out there. I'll let you decide if you wish to find it yourself or embarass yourself some more by suggesting that I made it up.

Any intelligent party in a lawsuit tends tobe cautious in releasing anything that could be pertinent to the case. It's usually done on the advice of counsel. The PGC only became tight lipped after this friviloussuit was filed.

PGc is a fraud corrupt agency period. They should embrace the opportunity to "prove themselves" and not fight it if there is nothing to hide. PERIOD.

Also they did NOT become tightlipped only due to the lawsuit. There is much data not being made known, most noticably, though not limited to a herd estimate. Although they did blame the lawsuit for their refusal to cooperate with an audit. They make themselves look worse and worse all the time.

They also have no reason to know the names of all members. That was merely a pathetic attempt to delay proceedings and to possibly gain names to "look out" for when doing their "damage control" on sites like hpa. etc. Just one more dirty trick pgc attempted to pull. Last time the lawsuit was brought up, they stated the lawsuit shouldnt go forward because.....THEY OWNED THE DEER! (LOL)

Arrogant jacka$$es.

There would be no need for the PGC to be cautious about releasing data , if the data showed that the plan was working as predicted. the only reason the PGC is with holding the dat is because it shows the plan has failed to increase breeding rates, shorten the breeding window, increase productivity and produce more and bigger buck that ever before. THE PLAN HAS FAILED!!!!!!!

Any idiot knows when there's a lawsuit,the parties simply don't talk about it. Anyone who's ever been involved in any legal action would understand that.

What info did the PGC refuse to provide before this silly suit?

As for the request for member numbers, I chased down the real numbers. USP has right around 2000 actual card carrying members but they claim as many as 30,000 members based on club affiliations. they only managed to secure 13,000 signatures for their petition a little bit more that 1% of all hunters yet they claim to be in the majorityHA HA HA LOL.

The USP claims to represent PA hunters, the number of their membership is very relevant in the case. It's also relevant that the numbers be verifiable.

That brings up an interesting question. I'm not a cardholder with any hunting organization, yet I belong to Clubs that are PFSC members. How many card holders does PFSC have, if I belong to three clubs does PFSC count me three times, does Melody speak for me in these clubs and all the non hunting social members, that belong to these clubs for their shooting ranges and to socialize at their bars?

And any idiot would know that if the data was favorable to the PGC they would release it even if there was a lawsuit.

The trained professional judges disagreed and dismissed the petition to compel. So, once again you are flat out wrong.

I can only say this. I was on the board at our club that was a PFSC member and werecieved PFSC member cards for every last member that we reported when we paid dues to PFSC. We didn't furnish names to PFSC and they issued blank cards back to our club but I'd guess they count every member they get paid for.