REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
02-05-2009, 06:15 PM
#21
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 584
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.
Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
ORIGINAL: DougE
What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you. They know how many of those does were not harvested by hunters because they are still out there. So obviously hunters didn’t harvest then if they are still there. We already know that hunters harvested very few of the marked does in every study that has been done in the northern remote areas, based on the deer marked for the fawn study and the collared doe study.
The objective of the non-visible reward tags is to measure any variable their MIGHT BE on does without collars, assuming that some hunters might see the collar and then not shot that doe. Do you want to place any bets on how much change in the hunter harvest there will be on collared verse simply tagged does?
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-06-2009, 03:48 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you.
Also, I noticed that you failed to comment on the fact that the doe harvests,produced total harvests,which were still exceeding recruitment in both 4B and 2G. I wonder why? Could it be that it didn't support your claims that the habitat was controlling the herd?
02-06-2009, 04:10 AM
#23
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 701
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
LOL you guys are argue over everything. I think the 100 reward is ridiculous ,but Who cares. I dont need a tracking unit to count the deer on my huntin property. They show up everyday and pose. Before huntin season they numbered 51 doe and 19 buck. on January 26th there wer 46 doe and 17 buck showed up at the feeders. I am happy.
02-06-2009, 05:29 AM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: S.W. Pa.-- Heart in North Central Pa. mountains-
Posts: 2,600
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
When someone refers to a college-educated, degreed biologist as a "nut", it sure doesn't take long to figure out they think they know more than the biologist.....hence a huge reduction in the credibility of their babble.
I honestly don't know why I even stop by this site anymore....always the same slanted USP horsepucky and hijacking as before.
I honestly don't know why I even stop by this site anymore....always the same slanted USP horsepucky and hijacking as before.
02-06-2009, 05:51 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Central PA
Posts: 2,299
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
Well after this last stunt the PGC performed (crossbows), I really couldn't care less what they do.
If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.
It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.
If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.
It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.
02-06-2009, 06:51 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you. They know how many of those does were not harvested by hunters because they are still out there. So obviously hunters didn’t harvest then if they are still there. We already know that hunters harvested very few of the marked does in every study that has been done in the northern remote areas, based on the deer marked for the fawn study and the collared doe study.
The objective of the non-visible reward tags is to measure any variable their MIGHT BE on does without collars, assuming that some hunters might see the collar and then not shot that doe. Do you want to place any bets on how much change in the hunter harvest there will be on collared verse simply tagged does?
R.S. Bodenhorn
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.
Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
ORIGINAL: DougE
What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you. They know how many of those does were not harvested by hunters because they are still out there. So obviously hunters didn’t harvest then if they are still there. We already know that hunters harvested very few of the marked does in every study that has been done in the northern remote areas, based on the deer marked for the fawn study and the collared doe study.
The objective of the non-visible reward tags is to measure any variable their MIGHT BE on does without collars, assuming that some hunters might see the collar and then not shot that doe. Do you want to place any bets on how much change in the hunter harvest there will be on collared verse simply tagged does?
R.S. Bodenhorn
its not because they dont see those doe, they are.
in fact ,1 is at our feeder right now andshe is named BETTY.
no one shoots BETTY , she is queen.
so, now put a reward on so we will shoot BETTY.great program
02-06-2009, 06:53 AM
#27
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
ORIGINAL: muzzyman88
Well after this last stunt the PGC performed (crossbows), I really couldn't care less what they do.
If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.
It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.
Well after this last stunt the PGC performed (crossbows), I really couldn't care less what they do.
If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.
It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.
02-06-2009, 06:55 AM
#28
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
ORIGINAL: cardeeer
LOL you guys are argue over everything. I think the 100 reward is ridiculous ,but Who cares. I dont need a tracking unit to count the deer on my huntin property. They show up everyday and pose. Before huntin season they numbered 51 doe and 19 buck. on January 26th there wer 46 doe and 17 buck showed up at the feeders. I am happy.
LOL you guys are argue over everything. I think the 100 reward is ridiculous ,but Who cares. I dont need a tracking unit to count the deer on my huntin property. They show up everyday and pose. Before huntin season they numbered 51 doe and 19 buck. on January 26th there wer 46 doe and 17 buck showed up at the feeders. I am happy.
02-06-2009, 09:01 AM
#29
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 701
RE: REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
The property is not in slaughterville pa. Its another state that dont slaughter the doe or have 4 month deer seasons.. Nothing against anyone,But my wife and I allow no one to hunt except myself. My neighbors all shoot 8 pts and bigger and a very limited amount of doe. I know I am drawing deer from other properties. They just are addicted to my molasses drippers on the mineral blocks. I have dripped 240 lbs of molasses this year and went thru 2300 lbs of corn and 800lbs of protein pellets already.I am going to have to stop the molasses when the bear awake or mass destruction will occur. Molasses is cheap, 30 lbs for 7.00.
