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Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
There is currently word that legislators are leaning towards granting a license fee increase with or without the audit. I dont know if its the results of back room dealings over the crossgun issue or other, but this is absolutely not good in the least.
Pgc is currently on the cusp of HAVING to make changes due to the financial situation which is a very good thing. Legislators have stood firm until now, and there was no reason for that to change seeing as nothing at all of substance has changed on the pgc end. If you support the pgc treehugging deer plan. DO nothing or voice your support, whatever.... If you are opposed to the rediculousness of it all, please contact our house fish and game committee members and tell them HELL NO! to money without change. Worst part is, we were promised this would NOT go through unless an audit took place and the results were adhered to by pgc. Anyway, here are the emails, let these guys know what you think. Do nothing, and pgc stays the course...or worse...and dont whine later.[:'(] [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] |
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emails sent
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I sent them as well.
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Thanks Cornelius, Sending my show of support!;)
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Nah, it's all Surra's fault.
He toed the line with the "ain't no deer" mantra and bullied the game commission for years, to the cheers of folks like you. Thenhe got his keister kicked out of office by his constituents and landed a plum jobwith the otherBig Bogeyman,DCNR, promoting another program the conspiracy folks also ranted about: PA Wilds. Nowhis former bretheren on the HG&F committeehave seen the light. |
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I paidplenty to hunt game and pursue furtakers in Pa this past season. That's enough. Times are tough for all of us. Emails sent. Thanks Cornelius.
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ORIGINAL: ManySpurs I paidplenty to hunt game and pursue furtakers in Pa this past season. That's enough. Times are tough for all of us. Emails sent. Thanks Cornelius. With all the possible licenses and stamps and even with a few doe tags and DMAPS thrown in, I still didn't spend the price of one decentseat at amajor league hockey or football game. Foraround $100 I get to hunt a potential365 days for something. We have a good population and the biggest black bears in North America, very gooddeer hunting, very good turkey hunting, fairupland small game hunting, fair grouse hunting, terrific squirrel hunting, good predator and varmint hunting,very good trapping opportunities and more public land than most eastern states to do it on and better access to private land at no cost than most other states as well.No matter what you think of the deer program, we are getting a bargain and this idea of financial blackmail to get more deer aint gonna work and might well cause the PGC to have to take outside money and that will let the ecoweenies and non hunting interests in even further than theymay be now. To those who are against a license increase it's time to wake upand not threaten to amputate your arm because your finger is infected. |
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Denny, Surras losing has zero to do with the few eco-clown environmentalists voting him out.
The enviro-quacks havent got the numbers of the power. A bunch of extremist flakes that like toflap their gums. If they had the ability, they'd have voted out Stabeck and several others YEARS ago. They may control the boc, but they dont have close to enough clout to vote in or out the legislators across the state. IF pgc recieves this funding, it will obviously be a result of direct backroom dealings of pgc and a few legislators that were catered to with the crossgun vote or other dirty compromising. |
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BTB, at that hockey or other game, you get what you pay for, you know what you should be getting for your money and you dont get to watch 1/3 of the game.
Its not about hard times for me, Im far from rich, but I could afford alot more than Im paying now for a license, but why on earth would anyone want to when they arent doing an appropriate job?? Im not simply paying they so I can hunt.... I and all of us, are paying them to MANAGE THE WILDLIFE INCLUDING GAME ANIMALS responsibly and in the best way possible. That is VERY far from our current situation, and if I am to pay more, I want assurance things wont stay exactly as is or worse, digress. |
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Cornelius we probably could go on and on and never agree on much of the deer program. IMHO the deer program isn't going to get changed based on whether or not a fee increase is granted.
Lets set our differences on deer numbers aside for a minute. If we assume for a moment that the ecoweenies and commercial interests have as much influence as you claim, a failure to increase license fees would just accelerate the need to take money from the non hunting public. With that will undoubtedly come the demands formore cloutfrom commercial, non hunting, andworse yet, anti hunting interests! How can huntersexpect to gain influence by turning our backs? By fighting an increase on the grounds of the deer program, We're setting ourself up forother interests to gain even more ground. I'm sure the anti's are just watching and salivating over this whole USP suit, license fee blackmail, huge division of hunters in Pa. They are waiting in the wings to jump in and take over and we'll be handing them all the bullets they need to win their war against us. Divide and conquer is an old strategy but it always works when the divded fail to see the bigger picture. |
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"Cornelius we probably could go on and on and never agree on much of the deer program. IMHO the deer program isn't going to get changed based on whether or not a fee increase is granted. "
and in my honest opinion, if it won't, nothing else will. "Lets set our differences on deer numbers aside for a minute. If we assume for a moment that the ecoweenies and commercial interests have as much influence as you claim, a failure to increase license fees would just accelerate the need to take money from the non hunting public. " I for one, do not believe for one second that pgc would go that far. The only reason they havent complied YET is because they still have the time and money to hold out. Rest assured they know EXACTLY how long they can go before theymustcomply. They have zero to gain by taking their chances with being "absorbed" into a dcnr type systemor significantly changing of the commission and who calls the shots, as none of their jobs would be guaranteed. I mention this type scenario, simply because I do not see any "public funding" proposals that are likely to pass at the moment because it wouldnt make much sense for an alternate funding proposal to pass whenmany of the very same legislatorsalready wont grantthe "normal" funding increase. A far more acceptable situation imho would be for pgc restructuring bills to bewritten upimmediately, no license fee increase, then see how pgc reacts... I think provisions should be made that pgc will receive funding when they acheive "x" satisfaction rating and not until. If they flatly refuse to comply and go on a "hunger strike" as they are currently, you simply remove the "problems" from within the agency that are causing the refusal to conform. "With that will undoubtedly come the demands formore cloutfrom commercial, non hunting, andworse yet, anti hunting interests!" Not really an issue if they recieve NEITHER funding increase or alternate funding until an about face has occurred.Pgc is playing a role in this as well. What does it say about THEM to support alternate funding option over reasonable change? Thattells me, these people are in no way our friends as hunters. Also, although I am not generally for it, most states have dnr types running the show and satisfaction in the huge majority of the country is higher by far than it is here. "I'm sure the anti's are just watching and salivating over this whole USP suit, license fee blackmail, huge division of hunters in Pa." I dont buy it. Our "division" has zeroto do with antis gainingground in any way shape or form. Because when any bills orother nonhunter friendly legislation etc were to appear, you know as well as I,that there would be pfsc members, usp, and "independents",all fighting against it all the same. The current threats from "environmentalists" to our sport and heritage is HERE and NOW andREAL. To ignore it is unacceptable imho. "They are waiting in the wings to jump in and take over and we'll be handing them all the bullets they need to win their war against us." When they jump, they'llget their heads bashed in, just give me a holler to do my part along with the rest of our 900k strong. Right now, I see closer enemies on the battlefield attacking like cowards from within and from the rear.Have no worries though,my "War club" swings in both directions.... |
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Sure times are tough. But lets get a perspective here..... With all the possible licenses and stamps and even with a few doe tags and DMAPS thrown in, I still didn't spend the price of one decentseat at amajor league hockey or football game. Foraround $100 I get to hunt a potential365 days for something. We have a good population and the biggest black bears in North America, very gooddeer hunting, very good turkey hunting, fairupland small game hunting, fair grouse hunting, terrific squirrel hunting, good predator and varmint hunting,very good trapping opportunities and more public land than most eastern states to do it on and better access to private land at no cost than most other states as well.No matter what you think of the deer program, we are getting a bargain and this idea of financial blackmail to get more deer aint gonna work and might well cause the PGC to have to take outside money and that will let the ecoweenies and non hunting interests in even further than theymay be now. To those who are against a license increase it's time to wake upand not threaten to amputate your arm because your finger is infected. Let the bricks fall where they fall. No mercy. No license increase. |
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BTB,
I'd be willing to bet, that buck in your avatar did not come from PA. I'd bet you spent a pretty penny to take him out of state, too. If the deer hunting was so great in PA, why did you go out of state to hunt whitetail deer? You'd think that with thatgreat bargain you got with your PA license, you'd be so well satisfied with the hunting here in PA, that you wouldn't want to hunt out of state. How did you do bear hunting in PA this year? How did you do deer hunting in PA this year? Small game? I'll tell you what, I know several really crappy places to hunt. Would you be willing to pay me $50, to go hunting there? Sure you might see a few chipmunks and maybe a bird or two. Oh....these are State Game Lands by the way. You can sit all day and get your $50 worth. You can come as often as you want. How about I raise the price to $75 next year? You still want to come hunt? How many years would you be willing to pay me to hunt these crappy places of mine, before you'd say, "enough is enough"? This is how alot of hunters feel. |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: ManySpurs I paidplenty to hunt game and pursue furtakers in Pa this past season. That's enough. Times are tough for all of us. Emails sent. Thanks Cornelius. With all the possible licenses and stamps and even with a few doe tags and DMAPS thrown in, I still didn't spend the price of one decentseat at amajor league hockey or football game. Foraround $100 I get to hunt a potential365 days for something. We have a good population and the biggest black bears in North America, very gooddeer hunting, very good turkey hunting, fairupland small game hunting, fair grouse hunting, terrific squirrel hunting, good predator and varmint hunting,very good trapping opportunities and more public land than most eastern states to do it on and better access to private land at no cost than most other states as well.No matter what you think of the deer program, we are getting a bargain and this idea of financial blackmail to get more deer aint gonna work and might well cause the PGC to have to take outside money and that will let the ecoweenies and non hunting interests in even further than theymay be now. To those who are against a license increase it's time to wake upand not threaten to amputate your arm because your finger is infected. |
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ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 BTB, I'd be willing to bet, that buck in your avatar did not come from PA. I'd bet you spent a pretty penny to take him out of state, too. If the deer hunting was so great in PA, why did you go out of state to hunt whitetail deer? You'd think that with thatgreat bargain you got with your PA license, you'd be so well satisfied with the hunting here in PA, that you wouldn't want to hunt out of state. How did you do bear hunting in PA this year? How did you do deer hunting in PA this year? Small game? I'll tell you what, I know several really crappy places to hunt. Would you be willing to pay me $50, to go hunting there? Sure you might see a few chipmunks and maybe a bird or two. Oh....these are State Game Lands by the way. You can sit all day and get your $50 worth. You can come as often as you want. How about I raise the price to $75 next year? You still want to come hunt? How many years would you be willing to pay me to hunt these crappy places of mine, before you'd say, "enough is enough"? This is how alot of hunters feel. |
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For around $100 I get to hunt a potential 365 days for something. We have a good population and the biggest black bears in North America, very good deer hunting, |
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I'm a nonresident PA hunter. I already pay more than 5 times what the residents pay for my license and stamps. I say no fee increase unless the changes are made and adhered to by the PGC.
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ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: ManySpurs I paidplenty to hunt game and pursue furtakers in Pa this past season. That's enough. Times are tough for all of us. Emails sent. Thanks Cornelius. With all the possible licenses and stamps and even with a few doe tags and DMAPS thrown in, I still didn't spend the price of one decentseat at amajor league hockey or football game. Foraround $100 I get to hunt a potential365 days for something. We have a good population and the biggest black bears in North America, very gooddeer hunting, very good turkey hunting, fairupland small game hunting, fair grouse hunting, terrific squirrel hunting, good predator and varmint hunting,very good trapping opportunities and more public land than most eastern states to do it on and better access to private land at no cost than most other states as well.No matter what you think of the deer program, we are getting a bargain and this idea of financial blackmail to get more deer aint gonna work and might well cause the PGC to have to take outside money and that will let the ecoweenies and non hunting interests in even further than theymay be now. To those who are against a license increase it's time to wake upand not threaten to amputate your arm because your finger is infected. I will not be hunting PA this year. But most likely ohio. Better buck for the bang there. |
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If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here.
That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.  |
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I dont think its a very good argument for license increase to look at other states. Many are about the same and some cheaper for resident deer hunting.
Even the much higher quality deer hunting state of Ohio is almost identical in price for the deer hunter.A resident canhunt with gun, bow and muzzleloaderfor the about the same price we pay here in pa for the same. Add in the fact that the quality here is a terrible joke by comparison and the management there has a good relationship with its hunters, and its easy to see why its ludicrous to expect license increase based on that!!! I'd gladly pay more. The management needs to be worth it. I'd hardly say paying MORE for pgc to screw me over even more will cause me to wanna reach deeper into my wallet anytime soon. |
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ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here. That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.
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RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here. That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.
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OK....I'll reduce my price to $40.
That's a 20% discount. You can sit as long as you want, for as many days as you want. You can enjoy nature to its fullest. Won't see any deer but what the heck, you'll be out there. Next year the price jumps back up tp $50, though. I'm sure you'll pay it. You don't seem to mind if there isn't much to see. What's a little bit of money? The point is.... all joking aside...... without the deer, guys are going to give it up. Hunters are disgusted. I know many personally. Actually the only hunters I have talked to, that don't mind, are on here. |
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ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here. That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.
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RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here. That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.
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And I'm telling you the deer hunting sucks here in PA. I'd gladly give up getting deer like this, to have things the way it use to be and to enjoy it with my kids. My kids don't want to hunt anymore because they don't see very many deer. Many guys are like me. They see what's going on. Some don't care if they see anything and will pay any price for that. Not me! If you were paying for a guided elk hunt and your guide didn't seem to mind if you got one, would you be happy with that hunt? If the guide spent his time pointing out trees and birds, and ignoring bugles on the next ridge,would you be OK with that. When you booked your next elk hunt, would you go with that outfit or one that had higher success rates. What's it all about now? |
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"Anybody who pays taxes, and that'sEVERYBODY that I know, pays to sit in the woods.;)Where do you think the money comes from to obtain state game lands, state park land, andstate forest? Not to mention federal land. Think about it!"
Gamelands are not paid for by tax payers. They are paid for by hunters. "Pa, love it or leave it!" Or demand responsible change. We shouldnt be forced to pay more for responsible management when that isnt what we are getting. |
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ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 If the moose hunting were a little better here in PA, I'd of probably stayed home and hunted moose here. That offer of paying me $50 to go hunting on some crappy State Game Land is open to you too. Want to come? I prefer cash! I repeat, If whitetail hunting were so good here in PA, why pay all that money to hunt them out of state? Heck, go after something we don't have. Just think, I got this buck last year, 2008, and I'm admiting that the hunting sucks here in PA.Yeah, the AR are making bucks bigger but overall the total lack of deer is why many are throwing in the towel. I got this guy on private/posted ground. Otherwise I'd be eating tag soup. If it wasn't for posted ground I would be lucky to even see a deer.
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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 Gamelands are not paid for by tax payers. They are paid for by hunters. |
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There are ways for pgc supporters to show their support without trying to impose their will upon the rest of us who DONT want totake part in rewarding corruption:
http://www.theoutdoorshop.state.pa.us/FBG/game/GameDonations.asp?ShopperID=2FF6FA8DBEE841279D5D68 B258A33944 And as you can see, if there isnt a high enough demonination listed, you can add your own higher one. That one is apparently for guys like you who are VERY happy to show your true appreciation and who don't want to be a dead-beat and not pay their way. (LOL):D |
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"Much of it paid for by the hunter dollar, not all of it. Do you think people are asked if they're hunters or not befor they are allowed tostep foot on state/federal land?"
I said nothing about federal land. Pa game lands are not federal land. |
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ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 And I'm telling you the deer hunting sucks here in PA. I'd gladly give up getting deer like this, to have things the way it use to be and to enjoy it with my kids. My kids don't want to hunt anymore because they don't see very many deer. Many guys are like me. They see what's going on. Some don't care if they see anything and will pay any price for that. Not me! If you were paying for a guided elk hunt and your guide didn't seem to mind if you got one, would you be happy with that hunt? If the guide spent his time pointing out trees and birds, and ignoring bugles on the next ridge,would you be OK with that. When you booked your next elk hunt, would you go with that outfit or one that had higher success rates. What's it all about now? I started deer hunting in the 70's up in Bradford Co when there used to be tons of deer up there. Thare still wern't a lot of bucks though.The B/D ratio was still out of whack. Now, since the antlerless season has gone concurrent with buck season (instead of the 2 day season we used to have), their numbers are waaay down, and this is the situation in MANY regions of Pa. But, not in ALL of Pa. I think that it's a regionalissue that needs the attention. |
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i think btb gave the right answer
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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 "Much of it paid for by the hunter dollar, not all of it. Do you think people are asked if they're hunters or not befor they are allowed tostep foot on state/federal land?" I said nothing about federal land. Pa game lands are not federal land. |
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And I think you and BTB are wrong. So what does that prove?
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 And I think you and BTB are wrong. So what does that prove? |
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"I think that it's a regionalissue that needs the attention. "
We didnt get a reasonable regional solution. We got largescale statewide herd slaughter. Bowtruck, hes way off. Hes either trying unsubstantiated scare tactics himself or hes fallen for them which have been initiated by pgc and their volunteer support system of message board media damage control. Noones coming in the near future to take your gun or your bow, and even if they were, the fact we are pointing out pgcs folly effects that not at all. And if you wanna get technical, if you believe otherwise, then you can blame that too on pgc. They created this mess. |
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"And I think you and BTB are wrong. So what does that prove? "
That proves you have a brain in your head.:D What still applies early in? Only thing I see that all those different lands have in common is that they are all mismanaged by pgcs kill 'em all deer scam and carpet bombing of doe tags. Federal, county, state, gamelands, much private...doesnt matter. The only lands spared the bull*** plan is very off limits posted and little hunted areas and urban areas not huntable for the most part. Good hunting should be the norm, not the extreme exception. |
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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 And as you can see, if there isnt a high enough demonination listed, you can add your own higher one. That one is apparently for guys like you who are VERY happy to show your true appreciation and who don't want to be a dead-beat and not pay their way. (LOL):D |
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Maybe if guys would start sending in their deer kill cards the PGC would have a betteridea of how many deer are REALLY being killed!;):D:D:D
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