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No Charles, deer hunting doesn't "suck" everywhere in this state! Yes, it has gone waaay down hill in many regions, I agree! .

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So who caused this?

Do you really want to pay more money if you were one of the guys that hunt in these areas?


Buck from 2006. Yeah, there are decent bucks in my area but the hunting still sucks.

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There are decent bucks where I hunt but it gets worse every year. I see fewer and fewer. I'd trade these in a heartbeat for the way it use to be.

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I type fairly fast and make a typo from time to time, but I can't believe some of the words spelling when I go back later often times. Don't know if its my typing or a crazy arse filter on this site like some others,that screws with words... That should've read denomination.

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i am not trying either nor am i any part of pgc i like some of what pgc has done and dislike some hr has gone to far imo
For some if they think hunting sucks then why do it i find it hard to
believe that will all seasons we have some guys thatcant take a deer

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I realize that, I was just playing around.:DHey guys, listen to this. You can rest easy until 2010! There has been a delay on the deermanagement audit, and there's a freeze on the license fee hike. It seems the company who agreed to do the audit is affraid of being drawn into the lawsuit being filed against the PGC by the United Sportsmen of Pa. WOW!!

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"i am not trying either nor am i any part of pgc i like some of what pgc has done and dislike some hr has gone to far imo
For some if they think hunting sucks then why do it i find it hard to
believe that will all seasons we have some guys thatcant take a deer "

Why? Cant you find a deer? Dont you think we should be glad, considering the circumstances that some guys cant find a deer? Do you think we really need to harvest more and lower the herd even further right now? Added harvest would be 100% counterproductive to increasing SUSTAINABLE harvest,beforeany herdincrease would be implemented.

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early in, thats old news. Pgc refused to cooperate and wmi had no choice but to back off. Pgc stated that they "would be reluctant to cooperate with and audit while a lawsuit was ongoing." Their exact words. Wmi not wanting caught up in a bitter fued and mess backed off.

Some are pushing for a fee increase without waiting for an audit apparently, using usp as the scapegoat.

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Sorry to the bearerof old news.:DYou know what though? Even if there is a license hike, which you can pretty much count on (look how the CB issue was handled), folks will have but two options.Pay the new cost and hunt ordon't pay it, and don't hunt. It's really going to be that simple.

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Oh I agree. And i have the intellectual capability to have grasped that concept long before you chose to endow your wisdom upon me. (LOL)

That sure in the hell aint gonna stop me from speaking my mind and letting our legislators know exactly what I think. They listen have listened much better, to this point anyway, to hunters than the tree-hugger laden gameless commission. IF it comes about, I'll just remember my legislators votes and return the favor at election time, and encourage others to do the same. I'll then proceed to buy my license as usual...Or not, and just hunt Ohio and/or WV which are both not too far from me. I'll make that decision and cross that bridge when I come to it.

No worries Mate. But I appreciate your concern.;)

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Corn man, while I appreciate/admire your intellectual capabilities;), I was wonderingwhat your hunting capabilities are like? How long have you hunted in Pa, and roughly how many deer have you taken here inour lovely state? Just curious, because if I lived not too far from Ohio, that'swhere I'd damned surebe hunting.:D:D

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As a matter of fact that buck is not from Pa here is one that is




Got a whole bunch more like him if you really want to see em:D

Didnt bear hunt this year

deer season was great. The freezer is full of venison, passed at least 15 bucks this year before finally taking an average buck in the last week of late archery

Small game, didn't do much this year. havent for awhile. Suitable places to hunt rabbit and pheasants are scarce and have been for a long time. Health isues make that a moot point for me anyway.

What does all that prove anyway?

Your question about paying to hunt gamelands makes no sense. I'm sure you are driving at a point with that but I missed it. Please enlighten me

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And PA hunters are still getting hosed!!!! And, you still don't know squat about deer management in PA!!!

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"Corn man, while I appreciate/admire your intellectual capabilities;), I was wonderingwhat your hunting capabilities are like?"

Ha ha ha. Yeah. Attack that whichyou know nothing of. Inferring I am among those who cant kill a deer is gut wrenchingly funny. (LOL)I could probably kill a&^%$ doe with my bare hands ifI so chose! (LOL);)

"How long have you hunted in Pa, and roughly how many deer have you taken here inour lovely state?"

If hunted 29 years in Pa. Killed plenty. THough Im aware of the "loaded question" because I didnt just fall off theturnip truck. If I killed too many, Ive contributed to hr. If I havent Im an unskilled lout. Ive killed enough doe in my day in the past and havent shot one in several years, by choice, though I could fill as many tags as I legally can get. Which here is usually 3. I choose not to, because I dont see it as the thing to do currently. I also only archery hunt these days, and If I dont shoot a buck in archery, I'll take it rifle season for buck only. As for buck, Ive killed tons here and in other states. For quite a few years Id killed a buck every single year here, untilawhile back when Iupped my standards (long before ar).I am in a 4 pt area and dont shoot minimum legalbucks. I still take "decent" bucks most years and am doin' just fine thanks...No thanks to ar which here was greatly overcome by hr. You simply cant have more"good" bucksin areas reduced by 30-50% or more.

"Just curious, because if I lived not too far from Ohio, that'swhere I'd damned surebe hunting."

I do. Not every year. But when other obligations etc. allow. It takes a couple of hours to get to my hunting area. I prefer to stay a few days. Hunting all day and 4 hour round trips get pretty miserable by midseason.

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I guess if I had your hunting skills and could no longer find deer I'd feel that way too


Thank You!! I take that as a compliment since you've also said that about Dr James Kroll and many other well respected professional wildlife biologists

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Ha ha ha, thats what we keep hearing LOL LOL but the defensiveness in your responsesin this areaindicate an insecurety that tellsa different story

LOL LOL As my grandpappy used to say... Its your story son, tell it like ya want to

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Most ignorant people are proud of it because they aren't smart enough to know they are dumb as a rock.

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You mean like when you proudly declare that Dr Kroll doesn't understand???

Next time you need to create yet another alias why not consider
"Rocky";)

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I agree Kroll is about as dumb as a rock for not realizing that his research supported the results from Miss.

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Thank you for admitting to your level of arrogance and delusion when it comes understanding to the principles of responsible deer management

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"Ha ha ha, thats what we keep hearing LOL LOL but the defensiveness in your responsesin this areaindicate an insecurety that tellsa different story"

Ha ha ha. Though I dont continually toot my own horn during every conversation that isnt on the topic of skill, truth be knownIm not a humble man. (LOL) I believe if you're skilled you should be proud of it. And when someone with probably less than half that skill challenges you, one cant help but laugh.

"LOL LOL As my grandpappy used to say... Its your story son, tell it like ya want to "

Thanks for the permission, but I just done did.

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Please don't try to copy my techniques for making PGC supporters look stupid. You don't have what it takes and it just makes you look even more incompetent.

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Right on, Windwalker. If yuou ever want to trade a birdwatch for a grey squirrel hunt, lemme know!:D

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Didnt get a deer this year eh? Sorry to hear that.

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A pup. Got 'em last week in archery. 7 point, shoulda been 8 but a broken tine. 16" inside. Decent mass. Probably a "better" 2.5 yr old. Nothing to brag about. Barely a shooter by my standards, wouldnt have shot it the first couple of weeks. Shot itin a bottleneck, chasing a doe, near a cornfield. Good jerky. SPecially since I dont shoot doe. Passed on several barely legal buck, and a bigger 8 @ 18" inside first week because it was heading towards a buddy a short distance away, who I had with me. He got it and was his largest to date..

Dad also got a "decent" 10 bow season, on opposite side of the cornfield where I shot mine. Not very wide, but a bit high with good mass. Very good body size.

Also took another buddy out last week of season, laid a scent trail and put up a decoy, had him in a permanent stand with me while I filmed him. He shot a barely legal 7 point that came nose down on the scent trail and then laid his ears back and came straight towards the decoy. He has killed only a couple of does and one buck before with a bow, so he was more than happy to shoot it. Not much of a rack, but a good video (LOL) It came into a wide open area and he shot it at 15 yards about 2 feet from the decoy.

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I cant find anywhere where the pgc gurantees a shot at a deer sounds like somepeople want canned hunts
not fair hunts

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You are comparing our state and it's opportunities to that of states like Iowa and Illinois????? Pa Can Not Charge What Those States Charge Because Pa Doesn't Offer What they Offer. How about Ohio, right next door?? For $125 I can hunt deer with a bow, crossbow,muzzleloader and shotgun. And in addition to that I can hunt Archeryfrom the end of September straight through till Feb 1. I spent more $ as a Pa residenthunting inPa with less of an opportunity to harvest a P & Y buck than I have in Ohio. Now tell me again how the PAGC deserves more money when not providing a more satisfying hunting experience.

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In Montana the outfitter sponsered combination Elk and deer tag is $1500 dollars this year. A montana resident pays about $75. HuntingTags in Pa for residents and non residents is a bargin.

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LOL Ha ha ha LOL now I'm convinced! We are all so humbled by your hunting skills simply because you say so.

Over the years, I've found that the guys who feel the need to thump on their chests and make statements like this and threatening people are usually compensating for something lacking........

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First off Mr Corn, that was no attack/inference on you, merely a simple question. When I attack a person I willmake it abundantly obvious.:DFrom some of your post's it seems as though you often feel asif you ARE under attack. You need to realize that other people aren't always going to agree with your view of things, andlook atthings differently because they live in different parts of the state.
You see, I live/hunt in WMU 5-D where there are a good many deer, and very little public hunting land. Not the number of deer that warrents unlimited antlerless tags though! So that said, we have issues in our WMU as well. I think antlerless allocations HAVE to be COUNTY specific, notWMU (which includes various counties) specific.
Weather or not the PGC is managing the herd properly isn't really a question, because we all know thatthey leave MUCH to be desired, there's no doubt. But my thinking is, a license cost increase may give them the extra funds they needto help themdo the kind ofjob that we all would like to see them doing. An example,as I'm sure you're aware, there are many units that don't have the number of WCO's that they need/should have. I just don't think that expecting them to do their jobwith insufficient funding is realistic thinking. So I'll pay any additional license fee's that are likely to come, and still consider myself fortunate to be able to deerhunt in Pa. Even with X amount of mismanagement.JMHO;)

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Well guess what? In Pa (WMU 5-D), where I hunt, you can start archery hunting from the middle of Sept and hunt on and off (more on than off) untilJan 24th!Forget all that though.;)I'll start with the fact that you can do everything that you mentioned doing in Ohio for a lot less in Pa, and then some!! Pa boast's the largest strain of black bear in all of NA. How's the bear hunting in Ohio?:DHere's a license fee breakdown.
Adult Resident: $20
Archery/CB Tag: $16
Muzzle Loader Tag: $11
;) *Bear Tag: $16
(3 should be enough:D)3 Antlerless Tags:$18 ($6 each)
Total: $81
Where's the comparison?:eek:

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Apparently things have gotten so slow at a fewother sites, that some now feel compelled to come in here (again)looking for converts? I notice some are knocking on other doors, with little success at getting back in under new handles.

Either that, or they finally justgot tired of agreeing with each otherevery day, got boredand arereaching out for helpto relieve their frustrations? There may be some 12 step programs to help them, but when I get bored I just spendmore time in the woods, or finish a project. Still have one bow and three rifle projects to go yetthis winter, feel fine at this point.

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"First off Mr Corn, that was no attack/inference on you, merely a simple question."

And you got your answer. My commentary was also directed at the bearded fool.(LOL) ;)


Denny, long time no see. So nice of you todare to ventureout into "the real world" for a change. Welcome. Seems you've high-tailed it from anywhere but hpa, since youve been unable to defend your nonsensical pgc buttock smooching views and run off a few sites due to your obtuse extremist views. Protection from moderation that doesnt allow dissent makes for a cozy brown noser nest doesnt it? (LOL);) Sorry you don't like people ALL being able to express opinions unless they agree with you or audubon. To each his own.[:@] Now ya better crawl on back into your shell. Wouldnt want to see all these bad people who disagree with bio-extremism scare you.[8D]

"Still have one bow and three rifle projects to go yetthis winter, feel fine at this point."

After having listened to your drivel for years now, I have grave doubts about you even being a hunter. Nice attempt to convince us though. Ecoextremists are not to be trusted in anything they say. Sneakier than a pack of jackals. attack from within.

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"Weather or not the PGC is managing the herd properly isn't really a question, because we all know thatthey leave MUCH to be desired, there's no doubt. But my thinking is, a license cost increase may give them the extra funds they needto help themdo the kind ofjob that we all would like to see them doing. An example,as I'm sure you're aware, there are many units that don't have the number of WCO's that they need/should have. I just don't think that expecting them to do their jobwith insufficient funding is realistic thinking."

The probems you speak of were created by "other" and "bigger" problems. Problems which are preventing them from getting more money in the first place. Sportsmens complete lack of trust in them the farce deer program and that has nothing to do with too few wcos. Fix the problems causing all other problems, and we won't have them to begin with. Fix the deer plan. That simple. Do so and we then have more money for pgc and PLENTY of wcos and equipment etc. Give them more cash without any commitment to change, they may then have more wcos etc, but the root problem never goes away....Hunter numbers continue declining in future, dissatisfaction never improves, and we are no better than when we started off, other than we get to pay a few more peoples wages.

I have no problem with your differing view. I also have no problem with your desire for funding of pgc "no matter" the current situation. Thats why I provided you with the donation link. I don't think you should impose your will on the rest who disagree with you. In other words when I and hundreds of thousands are very disatisfied with treehugger commission, we shouldnt have to pay more at this time because a small but vocal portion of supporters say so. They are free to "put there money where their mouth is" and leave the rest of us out of it.

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Still wondering how you got away with usingterms like decent and good to describe antlermass and the desirability of bucks, whenthe other guru took me to task for using such "meaningless" terms?

:(

Areyou really sure you want to keep calling people herebearded fools, brown nosersand other such complimentary terms? Or did you forget where you were?

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so more deer more money is what you are saying

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Im well aware of where I am. This isnt hunting pa and here a poster doesnt seem to be singled out and removed because of his vocallack of support of pgc. Might also wanna look around. If petty rude comments where to be completely off limits, thered be a helluva lot more going ahead of me, and most would be extreme pgc supporters, course I dont see you makiing mention of that, even though rsbs and btbs outnumber mine at least 10 to 1 on this site! I generally refrain, except when an extremist type makes it impossible. So get off your knees and quit whining.;)

By the way.............
BOO!

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Bowtruck, responsible management. Yes, that would be a side effect of responsible management. More deer where they can be had....Smaller wmus and managing them appropriately would be ideal options. Also better pgc hunter relations is ESSENTIAL to responsible management. Better communication, more open to reasonable input.

Doing NOTHING imho ISNT an acceptable option.

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I dont like speed limits but we have them anyway should we fight for them to go back to how it used to be
many moons ago i think 100 mph with 50 ton tractortrailer should be about right
some ppl want 100dpsm others understand habitat

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duplicate post seems site is still having issues

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I didnt say go back the way things were.

Wanting extremists out of management and responsible management similar to what many other states have and we should only expectis the exact opposite of the extreme position you speak of of no speed limits.

If we were to compare appropriateness of speedlimits to herd, and you insinuate 100 mph is equal to mismanagement of overpopulation, Than our current herd is equal to 15 mph. Causing nothing but a logjam and not getting ANYWHERE.

Want 55 mph and smooth sailing? Get pgc to responsibly manage the herd.

Also, reasonable speedlimits are abolutely essential. Our current sham plan exactly as is... ISNT.