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bluebird2 02-04-2009 06:15 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Apples vs oranges. Period. Done intentionally makes it a lie. Period.
I agree ,the five year averages posted by RSB were an intentional lie and i must admit he is one of the best liars on the MB.

BTBowhunter 02-04-2009 06:26 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Apples vs oranges. Period. Done intentionally makes it a lie. Period.
I agree ,the five year averages posted by RSB were an intentional lie and i must admit he is one of the best liars on the MB.
Iff'n thats the best response you've got,maybe it's past your bedtime.:D

Cornelius08 02-04-2009 06:32 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Dont be jealous BTB. With as much practice as you've been getting, you'll catch up in no time.;)

germain 02-04-2009 07:09 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: DougE

Rich,Try SGL 93 and 77.Both have a ton of deer.I didn't hunt deer there this year but did hunt turkey alot in both places.I saw on average at least a dozen deer each morning I went out.I ride horses on SGL 93 quite a bit and see plenty of deer.I hunted the first day and the first saturday of rifle season on Evans fire tower rd in Penfield.All public land,few hunters and plenty of deer.I also spend alot of time on Seneca resource property,which runs into Moshannon state forest.I didn't hunt deer on it this year because I was late sending in for dmap's.Last year and the year before I killed two deer and saw loads in there.I walkedsome of that property after Christmas and saw sign all over the place.It's timber company land but it's dmap'dand open to the public.I also see deer everytime I hunt in Sinnemahoning.That's tough country up there but it keeps pressure to a minimum.Seriously Rich,there's good hunting all over this area on public land.You just have to stay away from the areas with no food,like Rockton mountain and SB elliot.Give me a call,the next time your at camp and I'll show you all of these places.

That's close to an hour away from me doug I think.You figure about an hour from the town of clearfield?

germain 02-04-2009 07:13 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Covered alot of area doug anywhere from just north of clearfield to knobs rd throughout the mosh forest.Like joe {clearfield 12} not much luck.I have a few friends that hunt the mosh anywhere from knobs rd to chestnut ridge to parker dam and no luck lately.That's alot of area.

Screamin Steel 02-04-2009 08:29 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Helicopters? nope.

Group size? Dont really know

Could any regular joe do it? Yes

Easy? No

Sorry guys, but I simply can't/won't because it's a very good, ingenious actually, idea that I have every intention of utilizing and if I post it on the net, it will get stomped all over by the masses.
You are breaking my heart......Since you won't reveal his secret, here are a few public land tips that I've come across over the years...but I've never tried them and not sure of legal technicalities.

1. Broadcasting fetilizers around mast bearing trees and preffered browse.

2. Creating a isolated water hole in a prime location. I'm not sure the legalities of either of these two, but I wonder if you do not dig, but rather find a shallow depression, and line the bottom with plastic and cover it with dirt to create a lasting reservoir for run off, if it would be legal.

3. Creating a scrape corridor, by tying down limbs in strategic places, and then treating the limb and soil beneath. Studies have shown the licking branch at preffered height is the most important factor.

4. Planting apple or persimmon trees in remote locations. Pretty sure this would be illegal on public lands.

If anyone knows the legalities of eachtactic. lemme know. Since I've never tried them, I never thought to research it.

bowtruck 02-04-2009 10:29 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
not sure steel but i think they all would be illegal execpt maybe #3 i do wonder what the big public land
secret is thou

BTBowhunter 02-05-2009 06:08 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
1. Broadcasting fetilizers around mast bearing trees and preffered browse.
If it's not legal it oughtta be. I know a buddy that swears you can give an old apple tree a whole new life with a sack of lime and a sack of 10-10-10 spread around the drip line.

2. Creating a isolated water hole in a prime location. I'm not sure the legalities of either of these two, but I wonder if you do not dig, but rather find a shallow depression, and line the bottom with plastic and cover it with dirt to create a lasting reservoir for run off, if it would be legal?
The digging is probably not allowed and I'd think you'd be hard pressed t find a spot that need water enough that you could create something that would alter a deers patterns. It'd also be a potential mosquito haven and maybe a haven for those nasty EHD carrying midges

3. Creating a scrape corridor, by tying down limbs in strategic places, and then treating the limb and soil beneath. Studies have shown the licking branch at preffered height is the most important factor.
I like it. I think the legality would be whether you actually damage live trees.


4. Planting apple or persimmon trees in remote locations. Pretty sure this would be illegal on public lands.
I think this can be done with the appropriate owner/ manager permission. I believe I've heard of groups like scouts etc making service projects out of stuff like this.

As far as the outfitters secret...... None of the above!

R.S.B. 02-05-2009 07:12 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Apples vs oranges. Period. Done intentionally makes it a lie. Period.
I agree ,the five year averages posted by RSB were an intentional lie and i must admit he is one of the best liars on the MB.

There was absolutely nothing at all deceptive about the data I presented. The harvest data for the various states all came from this web site.


http://www.buckmasters.com/bm/Resources/DeerHarvestSnapshot/tabid/184/Default.aspx


Which is the most current data I an find for the various states. If you can find anything more current please provide a link and I will use the more current data. All I did was add the years together and then divide that by the total land mass of the county so the various states can be compared fairly with harvests per square mile.

If you have a more far way of doing it the go ahead and post your results. The fact is there is nothing to indicate that Pennsylvania is anything but one of the best darn deer hunting states in the nation both today and in the past. I am very confident that it will remain a leader in deer populations and deer harvests long into the future too as long as the professionals can keep deer management on this sound scientific management course.

When I get time I will post the harvest data by state and by year though just so everyone can see how Pennsylvania ranks on an annual comparison. Perhaps tomorrow night if all goes well.

Just because you and the other USP folks don’t like the facts, since they don’t support your ranting, that doesn’t make those facts any less fact.

R.S. Bodenhorn

livbucks 02-05-2009 07:27 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
As far as the outfitters secret...... None of the above!
Thanks Bob,for the PM with the details!
Your secret is safe of course.;)
EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT FELLERS, IT'S TRULY INGENIUS!!
Hahaha

explorer_Jack 02-05-2009 08:01 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.













The fact is there is nothing to indicate that Pennsylvania is anything but one of the best darn deer hunting states in the nation both today and in the past. I am very confident that it will remain a leader in deer populations and deer harvests long into the future too as long as the professionals can keep deer management on this sound scientific management course.



R.S. Bodenhorn

If you did more research instead of just all your snotting around you might have known that Pennsylvania has still been leading the nation in the number of deer harvested per square of land mass.

Here are the five averages for the past five years (2002-2006) I could find for all of the states.

Ranking……State…………….…………deer harvest/square mile
1.…………Penna…………………………⠀¦9.41
2.…………Maryland………………………. .9.25
3.…………Wisconsin……………………… .8.64
4.…………New Jersey………………………8.29
5.…………Michigan………………………. .8.03
6.…………W.Virginia……………………†¦7.60
7.…………Delaware………………………. .6.63
8.…………Virginia………………………⠀¦5.62
9.…………Ohio…………………………†¦.5.21
10.………..New York………………………4.82

Your nonsense about Pennsylvania not being worth hunting for deer just doesn’t hold water after all. Have you ever heard what they say about those that laugh last?

R.S. Bodenhorn





I beg to differ that with this suggestion. Look up license sales for each state.

Pennsylvania. 2007 924,448 just in reg license that a buck can be taken with. Another 840,670 for doe tags sold.
Combined total of a ridiculous number of 1,765,118 deer tags sold for the state of PA. Over 1.75 million in deer license sold and for the deer harvested PSM. per so many hunters. PA. sucks for hunting.

44,820 square miles of Pennsylvania are land areas.



Ohio.457,685 total deer license sold.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/01/20/sports/nh341589.txt

You do the rest of the states and you will see your statement is so full of crap from license sale to deer harvested.

Allmost 4 times the amount of deer license sold in PA compared to ohio.

40,948.38 square miles ofOhio are land areas.

With only a 3,872 mile variation between the 2 states.




Click on state and check harvest numbers out.
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/state-by-state-hunting-fishing/index.html




LMFAO

BTBowhunter 02-05-2009 08:09 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Need a map to Ohio?:D

www.mapquest.com

explorer_Jack 02-05-2009 08:14 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

Need a map to Ohio?:D

www.mapquest.com
Nope,I will be hunting it next year. But thanks any way. Some others might need it though when they see that ohio is a better deer hunting state than PA.:D

Screamin Steel 02-05-2009 08:31 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

1. Broadcasting fetilizers around mast bearing trees and preffered browse.
If it's not legal it oughtta be. I know a buddy that swears you can give an old apple tree a whole new life with a sack of lime and a sack of 10-10-10 spread around the drip line.

2. Creating a isolated water hole in a prime location. I'm not sure the legalities of either of these two, but I wonder if you do not dig, but rather find a shallow depression, and line the bottom with plastic and cover it with dirt to create a lasting reservoir for run off, if it would be legal?
The digging is probably not allowed and I'd think you'd be hard pressed t find a spot that need water enough that you could create something that would alter a deers patterns. It'd also be a potential mosquito haven and maybe a haven for those nasty EHD carrying midges

3. Creating a scrape corridor, by tying down limbs in strategic places, and then treating the limb and soil beneath. Studies have shown the licking branch at preffered height is the most important factor.
I like it. I think the legality would be whether you actually damage live trees.


4. Planting apple or persimmon trees in remote locations. Pretty sure this would be illegal on public lands.
I think this can be done with the appropriate owner/ manager permission. I believe I've heard of groups like scouts etc making service projects out of stuff like this.

As far as the outfitters secret...... None of the above!
The lime and the 10-10-10 around the drip line is the same tip I heard. They say it will draw the deer in from pretty far to the acorns, apples, etc. They have the innate ability to always find the highest qualiity food available. Another one I heard is brodcasting seeds such as winter wheat along old log trails and in clearings, but I'm sure the birds would pick over most of it before it could take. I'm surprised how many guys use lucky buck, acorn rage, etc in my area. I always thought that stuff was illegal as well.

bowtruck 02-06-2009 12:08 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
a few xtra bucks will break o few guys yet they can travel a few hrs away for hunting in other state
hope their truck runs free

DougE 02-06-2009 04:54 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Rich,the areas youre talking about have some of the worst habitat around.No food,no deer.The areas around Parker dama and Knob's roadare some of the worst.I'm not sure where your camp is located but it's only 23 miles from the Clearfield to the Dubois exit.You can get off even closer at the Penfield exit and be to these places in 15 minutes.Honestly,if you're hunting Parker dam,you're within a 10-15 minute drive of these areas.There are some areas around PD that have definate signs of habitat improvement.I'd be glad to show you those areas as well because that's where the deer are.

germain 02-06-2009 05:56 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
hopefully we can finally hook up in spring.Not all the areas have bad habitat doug.Some simply have easy acess and get hammered.

DougE 02-06-2009 06:40 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
All of the areas where I hunt around here have very easy access,yet very few places recieve much pressure.SGL 93 is an exception.It gets hunted hard but it's easy to get away from the crowds and find plenty of deer.I've been all over MSF(around PD and SB Elliot)with a district forester and I've yet to see a large area with good habitat.Some is starting to recover but no large areas could be considered even close to good.

I hunted parts of Moshannon state forest this year.I saw multiple deer in each place.Each place had extremely easyaccess and I saw a total of 4 guys the entire season,including the first day.

Parker dam is a wasteland of pole timber,with very little value to wildlife and a very low carrying capacity.You're correct that there's few deer and that's the way it should be.

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 07:21 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
There was absolutely nothing at all deceptive about the data I presented. The harvest data for the various states all came from this web site.


http://www.buckmasters.com/bm/Resources/DeerHarvestSnapshot/tabid/184/Default.aspx


Which is the most current data I an find for the various states. If you can find anything more current please provide a link and I will use the more current data. All I did was add the years together and then divide that by the total land mass of the county so the various states can be compared fairly with harvests per square mile.



Exactly. And as pointed out more than once, you used years of MUCH higher herd levels. And you know it shows completely deceptive inaccurate results to do so if the goal was to show what the hunting is like NOW.



If you have a more far way of doing it the go ahead and post your results. The fact is there is nothing to indicate that Pennsylvania is anything but one of the best darn deer hunting states in the nation both today and in the past. I am very confident that it will remain a leader in deer populations and deer harvests long into the future too as long as the professionals can keep deer management on this sound scientific management course.
One of the most rediculous statements youve ever made, and that is saying alot! (LOL)

When I get time I will post the harvest data by state and by year though just so everyone can see how Pennsylvania ranks on an annual comparison. Perhaps tomorrow night if all goes well.
Why try to decieve more? Your sham bs has already been pointed out. And as pointed out, the herd is continually being reduced and quality also sucks. There is nothing you can say to change anything thats already been shown.

bluebird2 02-06-2009 08:39 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
There was absolutely nothing at all deceptive about the data I presented. The harvest data for the various states all came from this web site.
The data on the link was presented as the actual harvest from 2002 to 2006. You converted the data to deer harvested PSM using the five year average which was intentionally misleading and deceiving.

Coalcracker 02-06-2009 11:56 AM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Every state needs an example of how to manage their deer herds correctly. Think of the contribution that PA is providing to every other state, a perfect example of how not to.

I'm hoping RSB gets the credit that he is do.

BTBowhunter 02-06-2009 01:17 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
I'm hoping RSB gets the credit that he is do.
Since you appointed yourself the resident spell checker and grammar checker... I hope you won't be too embarrassed to know that the correct word in that line would be DUE

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 01:25 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Btb, I told a guy I work with that some joker on the internet said Pa was one of the very best deer hunting states in the nation. He said to ask you what you've been smoking.

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 01:32 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

BTBowhunter 02-06-2009 01:39 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Btb, I told a guy I work with that some joker on the internet said Pa was one of the very best deer hunting states in the nation. He said to ask you what you've been smoking.
I've been smoking deer jerky, deer kielbassa, deer hot sticks, and deer sticks with cheese. You know what cheese is don't you?Maybe I shouldsend you some to go with your whine!

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 01:48 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
No thanks. I dont care for wine or whine.

Im surprised you didnt add bologna to your list of meats, since you are so full of it.:D




BTBowhunter 02-06-2009 01:59 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

No thanks. I dont care for wine or whine.

Im surprised you didnt add bologna to your list of meats, since you are so full of it.:D


Me sorprende que no le importa para gimotear ya que son un importante proveedor
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Cornelius08 02-06-2009 02:09 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
È l'amore gay e la testa è il tuo culo



DougE 02-06-2009 02:14 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
That was a pretty good exchange on both parts.I just spit some full throttle out of my nose.

Coalcracker 02-06-2009 02:15 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

I'm hoping RSB gets the credit that he is do.
Since you appointed yourself the resident spell checker and grammar checker... I hope you won't be too embarrassed to know that the correct word in that line would be DUE
Not in the least embarrassed, spent many hours proof reading SEC reports, company and Government reports, monthly, quarterly and annual.This would only include the footnotesand commentaries, as I was responsible for providing all the numbers.

I think my biggest embarrassment, was when we moved up a few positions in captive finance companies, our President called me and asked me why, I had added our parents stock into the calculation twice. Luck for me the publication hadn't gone out for printing yet.

I usually spot things that don't look reasonable, therefore I do close to perfect work, but I sure wish my error would have been for $1,000, rather than $25,000,000. When the Controller returned from vacation, he asked me if it was he that made the error and I covered up for him.



bluebird2 02-06-2009 02:16 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Would you please explain why you are ignoring the fact that the harvests in 2G are still reducing the herd according to PGC data?

Coalcracker 02-06-2009 02:19 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: DougE

That was a pretty good exchange on both parts.I just spit some full throttle out of my nose.
I thought you needed a green card to post on this site.

Coalcracker 02-06-2009 02:25 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Would you please explain why you are ignoring the fact that the harvests in 2G are still reducing the herd according to PGC data?
RSB is still trying to up with that calculation. It's harder to justify a lie than the truth.

BTBowhunter 02-06-2009 02:28 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

ORIGINAL: DougE

That was a pretty good exchange on both parts.I just spit some full throttle out of my nose.
I thought you needed a green card to post on this site.
La carta verde no es necesaria, tampoco es un cociente de inteligencia por encima del nivel de 25. USP partidarios de otro modo nunca se habrÃ*an puesto a un opportubity nada.[/align]

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 02:33 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
callarse e ir al infierno mentiroso.


El juego comisión son partidarios de árboles huggers[/align]

Coalcracker 02-06-2009 02:45 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

ORIGINAL: DougE

That was a pretty good exchange on both parts.I just spit some full throttle out of my nose.
I thought you needed a green card to post on this site.
La carta verde no es necesaria, tampoco es un cociente de inteligencia por encima del nivel de 25. USP partidarios de otro modo nunca se habrÃ*an puesto a un opportubity nada.
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I'm still trying to learn Penna Dutch, haven't got past the curse words yet. Don't try and say I'm a USP member, Grund did that on HPA, I offered to give a Mod $10,000 if he would do the same. If he could prove I was or am a USP member, the Mod would give him 90% of the total, if hecould produce the proof. OnHPA I use my real name as I'm not afraid or ashamed of who I am, it's just that most people on these boards hidewho they are. MY name is R. W. Brooks Jr., I live in Germansville, Lehigh County, my address and phone number are shown in the Allentown phone book.

I'm 66 years old, have a date with a lady 20 years younger than me tonight, time for me to get this site and same my energy, I think I'll need ten hours of sleep tomorrow, at least.

Cornelius08 02-06-2009 02:53 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Im no usp member either. Dont even know one. But I do know a few guys on here have their heads about 6 inches past theiradams appleup pgcs backside.:D

bluebird2 02-06-2009 02:59 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
You are one lucky devil and I admit I am jealous . But despite that fact ,good luck and have the time of your life.;)

livbucks 02-06-2009 03:46 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
He should change his name to safecracker, cause there aint much chance he's getting in anywhere.

bluebird2 02-06-2009 03:51 PM
RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 
Were you his previous date and are speaking from experience?


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