RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

To provide a CURRENT more accurate depictionof what our harvest per sm is, Without adding in data from our previously very high herd, andgoing with most recent known harvest of 07/08, we rank SIXTH our of the 10 states you compared. With 7.014 deer harvesteds per sm..[8D]

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Whoops! Hey Blueboy! You forgot to sign off and back on! You posted one of your Bluetwist partial facts with no backup but you signed on as Cornyto post your distortion! Sure lets pick just one year, provide no numbers for other states. Thats real credible.... NOT

BTW 2007 was the worst weather year in ages for the gun season. Now a 5 year average ending with 2008 for all states would be fair but thats probably not available yet.

How about a five year average ending in 2007? 2002 would be out. Go do yourhomework and get back to us eh? BTW, why not present it the way RSB did? list all states and all the data. For someone who claims PGC distortions, you sure put up a weak arguement.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Is that outfitter planting/ maintaining food plots in the ANF? I thought that was illegal. My question is serious, I'm not detracting from the outfitter. If he is getting bucks like that out of the ANF, he is doing something right. And his rates are surprisingly low. Most midwest 3 day bowhunts for a 140 class deer you are looking at $1500+. Fully guided for $500 is about as cheap as they come. If you have any more info on how they are consistently getting bucks of that caliber from public land, lemme know. To harvest one trophy caliber deer from public land in PA is an accomplishment, and the NC mountains at that. To be geting them like that every year does raise an eyebrow.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Since you apparently have far much more time on your hands than me, how about adding two additional columns:
1. Total 2007-2008 Buck harvest datafor those states listed
2. Combined PGC & PFBC 2007-2008 expendatures along with the same for all of those states you have listed?

That should provide some real entertaining reading.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

To my knowledge he isn't planting anything. That would just draw a crowd on public land anyway. I have learned how thy're doing it and fror obvious reasons, I'm not going to divulge everything because it is public ground and I do hunt in the area. Suffice it to say that when I heard what they were doing all I could say was "I'll be damned"!

I have not hunted with him andhave no affiliationwith himand I only know the family because they run the archery shop in the area. I have heard froma local what some of their methods are and I can say I admire their ingenuity.Rest assuredthey are operating legally. They simply get in where very few will go. Public ground, everything is legal, but access is not without extra effort and cleverness.

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RSB knows EXACTLY what he is doing and why. Using three and five year averages covers up the current decreases. I have tried to get him to at least us a rolling average on HPA and was close to being banned for that. Anyone with half a brain knows what he is doing and that the current years harvest is the most important and the previous years gives you the trend.

If you use RSB'swayof calculating our current economic indicators, those without jobs are too lazy to work, housing starts are slightly down and gas has probably averaged a little over $2 a gallon, etc., etc.

To me, RSB is full of it up to his ears and the rest is toilet paper. But with all the brown nosers around, he will soon be full of it up to his eyebrows. I'm just thankful we have some dedicated hunters that read and keep tract of current study and information provided by the PGC.

For those that live out of state and want to hunt here in PA. Don't bother coming unless you have some private land to hunt on as the PGC has no idea what is harvested on private land vs public.

Based on the harvest totals, you have a one in four chance of harvesting an antlerless deer, with a 50% chance of that harvest an adult doe and a 50% of it being a fawn. If you hunted here before AR and HR, your chance of seeing a deer are 50% less now and somewhere around %55 of harvesting a buck.

Welcome to PA wilds, leave your guns and ammo at home, come and enjoy our forests and gameless lands. I won't stop hunting PA after 54 years, because I have Senior Lifetime License, but I'm looking forward to hunting N.Y. next season for the first time.

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BTB, the suspense is killing me....I seriously want to know what ace in the hole they found to consistently and legally bag bucks like that every year on the ANF. But I'm pretty sure you're not going to share the wealth. Is it a tactic that the average joe is able to do in his given area without incurring major expenses or obstacles? Is it something crazy like flying their clients back in a helicopter to remote areas too far to allow reasonbale accessibility on foot?Coalcracker, good luck in NY. I believe you'll find more deer and a better managed herd there. For me, it'll be MD....my buddy has exclusive access to some small parcels in Baltimore co, where the herd really does need reduced ( thus no guilt trips for bagging a doe or two) and there are some whopper bucks around.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

My guess is they have a large group of guys that put on big drives all day.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Helicopters? nope.

Group size? Dont really know

Could any regular joe do it? Yes

Easy? No

Sorry guys, but I simply can't/won't because it's a very good, ingenious actually, idea that I have every intention of utilizing and if I post it on the net, it will get stomped all over by the masses.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Coalcracker,I don't know here you come up with the stuff you post.when was the last time you hunted inthe Pa wilds?

Ihunted the first day of bucks season on state forest dmap'sland in 2G.Ihad to pass on a buck that was thick tal and close to 20 inches.On the first saturday,I could have shot another legal buck on that same state forest.On the last day,I went to another dmap area to fill my last rifle season tag and I could have killed another buck.I hunted three days in rifle season on public land in 2G and had to pass bucks all three days.Incidentally,I only spent two days in the one area before the season.The other area was my first time I stepped foot on that mountain since the last day last year,when I had to pass another buck.