RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

"How about a five year average ending in 2007? 2002 would be out. Go do yourhomework and get back to us eh?"

2003 reduction was still in progress according to pgc. In fact, it couldvery well be argued that it still is.

"BTW, why not present it the way RSB did?"

Because 5 years ago is not representative of today when there is/was ongoing hr.

"list all states and all the data."

As soon as you start paying meby the hour.

"For someone who claims PGC distortions, you sure put up a weak arguement"

Coming from a very honest individual as Ive proven time and again.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

To make this easier on all of us to "quote" someone is as easy as putting this at the end([/qoute] )and this in front of thier words ([qoute]) .
Just spell quote the right way

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

You don't have to spell "quote"
Just hit the quote button above the message block and paste the quote in between the quotes in brackets.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

YEah, Jim. I know how. Think Ive even used it once or twice. I usually don't because it takes up so much more space in long posts or posts with several quotes. I'll try & keep it clearer for ya though by using the quote function once in awhile on short posts, otherwise I'll try and remember toadd bold text or color to separate.;)

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Using 5 year averages during a period when the gaol was to reduce the herd by almost 50% is simply ridiculous and of absolutely no value.


Estimated Deer Harvest
Antlered Bucks 1.5 Years & Older Antlerless Deer
State 2001 2003 2005 2001 2003 2005
Alabama 181,280 217,360 183,040 229,420 317,640 257,960
Arizona 3,659 4,324 4,647 * * *
Arkansas * 65,607 72,486 * 42,540 58,971
Colorado * * * * * *
Connecticut 5,936 4,531 6,082 6,013 6,783 7,446
Delaware * * 4,269 * * 9,768
Florida 78,653 78,841 * 29,744 39,110 0
Georgia 137,746 119,270 98,455 308,254 364,630 214,276
Idaho * * * * * *
Illinois 68,224 70,618 81,774 82,457 92,678 121,734
Indiana 48,357 49,533 52,488 54,806 57,453 73,038
Iowa 61,867 69,600 69,260 78,621 124,912 142,191
Kansas * * * * * *
Kentucky 47,697 54,188 48,690 55,640 62,352 63,722
Louisiana 118,832 111,350 108,784 93,368 111,350 100,416
Maine 16,798 16,185 15,261 10,971 14,128 12,887
Maryland 41,080 37,704 32,837 42,707 49,519 61,215
Massachusetts 5,130 5,667 5,669 4,780 6,369 6,363
Michigan 235,000 254,000 218,000 223,000 241,000 196,000
Minnesota 106,000 120,000 106,000 111,000 170,000 149,000
Mississippi 145,117 118,938 144,118 142,423 127,912 141,012
Missouri 116,293 109,597 103,973 147,681 181,034 183,563
Montana * * * * * *
Nebraska 26,930 24,482 29,876 22,000 19,900 19,800
New Hampshire 5,981 5,828 6,127 3,162 3,664 4,468
New Jersey 20,734 23,307 20,508 49,236 46,149 39,145
New Mexico * * * * * *
New York 127,084 107,533 89,015 154,786 145,555 91,199
North Carolina 109,399 117,808 139,486 88,960 89,441 118,272
North Dakota * * * * * *
Ohio 73,241 83,955 83,161 89,392 112,129 126,352
Oklahoma 54,045 54,831 57,756 47,590 45,781 43,355
Oregon * * 1,013 * * *
Pennsylvania 203,000 142,000 121,000 283,000 323,000 234,000
Rhode Island 463 960 1,133 443 756 1,133
South Carolina 141,000 123,000 112,000 167,000 150,000 132,000
South Dakota 26,721 26,502 31,464 22,037 31,520 38,320
Tennessee 48,877 45,631 38,687 69,070 71,741 81,784
Texas 219,434 242,937 247,026 175,726 189,917 217,352
Utah * * * * * *
Vermont 9,439 9,194 4,956 5,626 5,334 3,590
Virginia 110,659 116,629 101,041 101,874 117,243 114,041
Washington * * * * * *
West Virginia * * * 69,079 89,065 47,447
Wisconsin 183,000 193,000 183,000 262,000 251,000 274,000
Wyoming 6,231 6,851 7,429 3,407 3,477 4,904*Information not available

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

"Using 5 year averages during a period when the gaol was to reduce the herd by almost 50% is simply ridiculous and of absolutely no value. "

And anyone that disagrees is simply trying to fool people. I dont believe that there is one poster on this board that isnt smart enough to understand that basic statement. You simply don't point to years when we had many more deer and say this is how we have it now, after the herds been reduced !!

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

We all know that you are the greatest hunter East of the Mississippi, but your too modest to brag about it or take your buck kills in for measuring.

I seem to recall that you shot a small but legal buck on your Treasure Lake Preserve, also could have shot another buckwhile hunting public land during the two week season. Now it's up to three buck on three days of hunting, you truly are the greatest. Are you sure that there weren't four or five buck running together on each of those three days you were hunting?

Why would I want to hunt the NC when I lived five miles away from Jim Thorpe, which is considered the gateway to the Poconos? Oh by the way Doug, there were ferns in the poconos in themid 50's when I started hunting.

Say hello to your forester friend for me,that's the one that marks a trail for you to follow into the stand he picked for you.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Picking out just one year even if it was after vs before HR is not reliable either. 2007 was the worst weather in quite a long time for the gun season.

It's also notable that you didn't post the other states but made the claim that PA is sixth. Guess what skippy? We know what you did. You used RSB's numbers for the other states. Guess what else? You didn't bother to check the facts and you're wrong! Thats why you wont post the other states.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

Wrong Again. We had terrible weather the first two days in 2005.

After the 2007 season the PGC changed their story and claimed the buck harvest did not recover during the rest of the season even though the doe harvest did recover, The simple fact is the 2007 buck harvest represented the continuous downward trend in the buck harvests.

RE: Pennsylvania hunters about to be "HOSED"
 

So where's the data on the other states for 2007 ????

I know but I'm waiting to see how you'll try and wiggle out of this one:D