A better relationship with our PGC? How?
01-30-2009 | 06:19 PM
#52
Giant Nontypical
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
As I see it there's big problems on both sides....
Here we have WCO R.W.J. offering help to get communication going between hunters and the PGC. Thats the kind of help we need. Thank you WCO R.W.J.!!!
Of course then we get Bluebird telling us there's no use in trying to communicate! That kind of crap, no one needs.[:'(]
Then we have RSB telling us that he doesnt care if hunters take a flying leap with their money. No one needs that kind of garbage either. If RSB is tired of trying to communicate with the people who provide his funds, maybe he needs to find a new line of work.[:'(]
I have no respect for the USP but on the other hand, the UBP has backed the PGC several times where it meant sacrificeby the bowhunters but the UBP supported it because we believed the resource was being served. Now the BOC approves crossbows without any science supporting it and in the face of strong opposition from guess who? The UBP. This was purely a social issue and the BOC spit in the eye of the organization who has supported them all the way. I stiil cant support the USP types who have been crying no deer for 30 years but I'm beginning to understand their desperation lawsuit strategy. (I said I understand it, I still dont agree with it)
As I see it, there's a whole lot of fence mending and house cleaning that needs done on both sides and I'm not real hopeful that either side is gonna take the first step.[:'(]
As I see it there's big problems on both sides....
Here we have WCO R.W.J. offering help to get communication going between hunters and the PGC. Thats the kind of help we need. Thank you WCO R.W.J.!!!
Of course then we get Bluebird telling us there's no use in trying to communicate! That kind of crap, no one needs.[:'(]
Then we have RSB telling us that he doesnt care if hunters take a flying leap with their money. No one needs that kind of garbage either. If RSB is tired of trying to communicate with the people who provide his funds, maybe he needs to find a new line of work.[:'(]
I have no respect for the USP but on the other hand, the UBP has backed the PGC several times where it meant sacrificeby the bowhunters but the UBP supported it because we believed the resource was being served. Now the BOC approves crossbows without any science supporting it and in the face of strong opposition from guess who? The UBP. This was purely a social issue and the BOC spit in the eye of the organization who has supported them all the way. I stiil cant support the USP types who have been crying no deer for 30 years but I'm beginning to understand their desperation lawsuit strategy. (I said I understand it, I still dont agree with it)
As I see it, there's a whole lot of fence mending and house cleaning that needs done on both sides and I'm not real hopeful that either side is gonna take the first step.[:'(]
01-30-2009 | 06:21 PM
#53
Fork Horn
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
That is exactly what i would have expected and that is what I did when I represented DCNR. But, unfortunately it would do nothing to resolve the split between the PGC and the hunters if you simply supported the current deer management plan.
The WCO is not there representing himself he is representing the Commission. However there are many types of programs availible. The best types are open fourm, let the Sportsmen ask what they want on any subject and If I dont know the answer I take thier name and number and call them back after I research it.
01-30-2009 | 06:23 PM
#54
Fork Horn
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: sproulman
rwj, our next USP meeting at our sportsmans club, will you come? 
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
I find that hard to believe, If your in the sw part of the State I will gladly come to your meeting.
ORIGINAL: Big John
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
01-30-2009 | 06:25 PM
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From: PA.
RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
If you were in my district I would come in a heartbeat if invited.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
rwj, our next USP meeting at our sportsmans club, will you come?
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
I find that hard to believe, If your in the sw part of the State I will gladly come to your meeting.
ORIGINAL: Big John
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
01-30-2009 | 06:32 PM
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Typical Buck
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From: Westmoreland County PA.
RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
R.W.J, Thanks for the info. To DougE,BTB,R.S.B and others. Thanks for contributing to my topic. I have to sign off now. Almost fogot, goodnight bluebird.
01-30-2009 | 06:35 PM
#57
Fork Horn
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From: Washington County
RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: sproulman
that was not answer i was expecting
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
If you were in my district I would come in a heartbeat if invited.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
rwj, our next USP meeting at our sportsmans club, will you come?
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
I find that hard to believe, If your in the sw part of the State I will gladly come to your meeting.
ORIGINAL: Big John
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
I practically begged and pleaded with our GW's to come into our shop and talk with hunters. No deal- they were afraid of physical violence. Hmmm , they have a point !!!
01-30-2009 | 06:36 PM
#58
Nontypical Buck
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J
Believe it or not I get asked very few deer management questions, there is more to the PGC and wildlife than just deer. Most are law questions
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
That is exactly what i would have expected and that is what I did when I represented DCNR. But, unfortunately it would do nothing to resolve the split between the PGC and the hunters if you simply supported the current deer management plan.
The WCO is not there representing himself he is representing the Commission. However there are many types of programs availible. The best types are open fourm, let the Sportsmen ask what they want on any subject and If I dont know the answer I take thier name and number and call them back after I research it.
01-30-2009 | 06:51 PM
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
"Asked and answered many times Bluebird. RSB provided those facts regarding the breeding rates, you tried to distort them and I proved you wrong with the math spelled out for all to see. Everyone who commented on it agreed that you had distorted things. As you well know, I have an issue with RSB myself right now but he was right on that one and you simply wont give up. You are the biggest fraud on these boards. You arent helping your cause with all your lies distortions and fraudulent statements "
What bb said was fact. The reproductive rates were supposed to be the telling measure of if and how the plan was working. The rates DECLINED. Wether the reason they didnt INCREASE was because there was nothing wrong in the first place or the fact that pgc has insufficient data as rsb suggested, doesnt matter. In either case, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SUPPORTS STAYING THE EXACT COURSE as we are doing! Science DOES NOT support what is going on right now.
As for ubp, yeah, those guys got hosed, just as we anticrossbow/bowhunter/nonubp guys have. Ubp supporter the "plan" and for the most part still do. Why? I think we ALL know why. Political reasons. I don't blame them. On the other hand, NOW, I dont think there is a whole helluva lot to be gained. They've been slapped in the face about as hard as pgc could do so, and its never gonna be retracted. If ubp continues to support pgcs anti-deer planEXACTLY AS IS as theyve done all along... with very little if ANYTHING to ever again be gained via their cooperation.... They are complete and totalidiots.
What bb said was fact. The reproductive rates were supposed to be the telling measure of if and how the plan was working. The rates DECLINED. Wether the reason they didnt INCREASE was because there was nothing wrong in the first place or the fact that pgc has insufficient data as rsb suggested, doesnt matter. In either case, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SUPPORTS STAYING THE EXACT COURSE as we are doing! Science DOES NOT support what is going on right now.
As for ubp, yeah, those guys got hosed, just as we anticrossbow/bowhunter/nonubp guys have. Ubp supporter the "plan" and for the most part still do. Why? I think we ALL know why. Political reasons. I don't blame them. On the other hand, NOW, I dont think there is a whole helluva lot to be gained. They've been slapped in the face about as hard as pgc could do so, and its never gonna be retracted. If ubp continues to support pgcs anti-deer planEXACTLY AS IS as theyve done all along... with very little if ANYTHING to ever again be gained via their cooperation.... They are complete and totalidiots.
01-31-2009 | 12:18 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
Asked and answered many times Bluebird. RSB provided those facts regarding the breeding rates, you tried to distort them and I proved you wrong with the math spelled out for all to see.