"Asked and answered many times Bluebird. RSB provided those facts regarding the breeding rates, you tried to distort them and I proved you wrong with the math spelled out for all to see. Everyone who commented on it agreed that you had distorted things. As you well know, I have an issue with RSB myself right now but he was right on that one and you simply wont give up. You are the biggest fraud on these boards. You arent helping your cause with all your lies distortions and fraudulent statements "

What bb said was fact. The reproductive rates were supposed to be the telling measure of if and how the plan was working. The rates DECLINED. Wether the reason they didnt INCREASE was because there was nothing wrong in the first place or the fact that pgc has insufficient data as rsb suggested, doesnt matter. In either case, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SUPPORTS STAYING THE EXACT COURSE as we are doing! Science DOES NOT support what is going on right now.

As for ubp, yeah, those guys got hosed, just as we anticrossbow/bowhunter/nonubp guys have. Ubp supporter the "plan" and for the most part still do. Why? I think we ALL know why. Political reasons. I don't blame them. On the other hand, NOW, I dont think there is a whole helluva lot to be gained. They've been slapped in the face about as hard as pgc could do so, and its never gonna be retracted. If ubp continues to support pgcs anti-deer planEXACTLY AS IS as theyve done all along... with very little if ANYTHING to ever again be gained via their cooperation.... They are complete and totalidiots.