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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08 ""Really want me to find the black eye, busted nose post? It's all in the archives tough guy! Here's just one of your recent blowhard blowups [blockquote]quote: quote: you dont know what you are getting yourself into. dont ever call this man out, you will loose punk. we will see who has the guts boy when i get back. [/blockquote] Do you really want to see any more? theres plenty "" ----------------------------------------------------- HA HA HA!!! I think you'd better apply a tourniquet to your neck. That tick bite toxin is going to your brain. That wasnt me idiot.! (LOL) That was another dude when he started the argument with doug. I got in on the "frucus" after that and agitated some. (LOL) But didnt say anything like that. Better check the name on that post. I remember him saying it, but cant remember his id. Not gonna look for it wasting my time. Please point out the post thread and time/date it was made unless youwould just rather admit to being acomplete liar. I'm sure you'll do it again. ashamed of your words when they're sent back at you eh? |
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No. I didnt you lying arse.I didnt edit or delete anything, because I didnt make the post. Its still there most likely, you probably found it and wont own up to being a complete liar.
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That gets you a double:
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"Our friends at audubon" thread. Page 7. Made 11/15/09 12:27:52 pm
Made by PETROPEDRO.http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3288750&mpage=7 No apology necessary, coz itsnot accepted. I cant stand intentionalliars.;) |
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No. I didnt you lying arse.I didnt edit or delete anything, because I didnt make the post. Its still there most likely, you probably found it and wont own up to being a complete liar. I also never lied about editing or deleting posts before. But YOU have. < Message edited by Cornelius08 -- 2/3/2009 9:30:50 PM > I guess you forgot about getting spanked by the mods for doing exactly that. |
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"Our friends at audubon" thread. Page 7. Made 11/15/09 12:27:52 pm Made by PETROPEDRO.http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3288750&mpage=7 No apology necessary, coz itsnot accepted. I cant stand intentionalliars.;) < Message edited by Cornelius08 -- 2/3/2009 9:49:12 PM > |
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Found the whole thing. Cut and pasted the whole thing in case you decided youd try to go back and edit.
 RE: From our Friends at Audubon - 1/15/2009 2:39:24 PM    showPicture("1/15/2009 1:39:24 PM",0,0,0,3288750,30)  Cornelius08 titleAndStar(517,0,false,false,"","") Shooter Buck  [align=center][/align] Posts: 517 Joined: 9/20/2008 Status: online  ""unlike you i have a professional job. if you want to have a person to person meeting let me know punk. i got flights starting tomorro and will not be back for 2 weeks. you dont know what you are getting yourself into. dont ever call this man out, you will loose punk. we will see who has the guts boy when i get back. i hope you know how to find fayette county. you brought this call, now see if your brave enough to follow thru on it when i return. wouldnt expect anything less from a punk. thats all that you are, a punk !@# little boy with a me me attitude. pathetic. have a good 2 weeks punk and remind me of this when i return, i wont think much about it as i am sure you will. you have no clue you snotty little selfish brat. "" Ha ha ha. Petro, I see you have that nimrod figured out. Im sure plenty of people would like to chat with lil Dougie. Hes not very easy to get along with. I had words with the joker myself on another site awhile back. Funny thing is he shut his trap when someone told him who I was on HPA. He saw my pic on my post and shut his pie hole. Im heavy into weightlifting and an amatuer bodybuilder... And Doug? Hes just a lil' loudmouth eco-extremist. [align=right] (in reply to Cornelius08) [/align]     Report | Post #: 69 
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter Found the whole thing. Cut and pasted the whole thing in case you decided youd try to go back and edit. RE: From our Friends at Audubon - 1/15/2009 2:39:24 PM showPicture("1/15/2009 1:39:24 PM",0,0,0,3288750,30) Cornelius08 titleAndStar(517,0,false,false,"","") Shooter Buck [align=center][/align] Posts: 517 Joined: 9/20/2008 Status: online ""unlike you i have a professional job. if you want to have a person to person meeting let me know punk. i got flights starting tomorro and will not be back for 2 weeks. you dont know what you are getting yourself into. dont ever call this man out, you will loose punk. we will see who has the guts boy when i get back. i hope you know how to find fayette county. you brought this call, now see if your brave enough to follow thru on it when i return. wouldnt expect anything less from a punk. thats all that you are, a punk !@# little boy with a me me attitude. pathetic. have a good 2 weeks punk and remind me of this when i return, i wont think much about it as i am sure you will. you have no clue you snotty little selfish brat. "" Ha ha ha. Petro, I see you have that nimrod figured out. Im sure plenty of people would like to chat with lil Dougie. Hes not very easy to get along with. I had words with the joker myself on another site awhile back. Funny thing is he shut his trap when someone told him who I was on HPA. He saw my pic on my post and shut his pie hole. Im heavy into weightlifting and an amatuer bodybuilder... And Doug? Hes just a lil' loudmouth eco-extremist. [align=right] (in reply to Cornelius08) [/align] Report | Post #: 69
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3288750&mpage=7 |
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BTB, HA HA HA what a jug-head.(LOL) Quit trying to saveface SON, your lies are sunk.You posted ME quoting PETROPEDRO from the post I pointed out earlier! (LOL)
That would explain the "" "" quotation marks numb-skull! (LOL)(LOL) The only part of that which was mywords was the last part not in quotes!(LOL) And no were there did I say I was gonna "beat anyone up"[:'(]as you claimed, Nor did I make the exact statement you alsoaccused ME of making which Ive shown was made by Petropedro. Not hard to see why you don't grasp deer management issues. Like trying to educate a chimp who cannot read. In order to save me the trouble of adding, just imagine FOUR pinnochio clintons on this post. You earned it! (LOL);) Youre making yourself look foolish. Even moreso than the norm.:D |
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Yep, my mistake
A fairly easy one to make as you didn't exactly quote Again, my mistake on that part of your post. I can admit to a mistake. I make far bigger ones than that. This one was about as easy to make as your posting a date that hasn't happened yet. Especially since you failed to identify it as a quote by either using the proper quote tools orby attributing it to the original author. Whats not a mistake was the point I made. The other tough guy "im a bodybuilder and Doug shut his piehole cause he saw my pic" stuff on there was from you LOL HA HA HA LOL. My point is still the same. You're a blowhard.  We're not impressed As far as you making direct "black eye" and "Busted nose" threats , that still stands. You've done it. It's been part of your MO I'll find it eventually. |
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You guys are funny.:DMany of us are very passionate about deer hunting so nerves do get rattled and tempers flare.But being both yinz are hunters you would probably do just fine drinking a beer together.As rodney king once said,"can't we all just get along?":D
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Welp I guess that didn't work.:D
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I LIke btb. He's like huningnets own private little court jester.:D Hes like one of those little cartoon jesters that tell jokes and arent funny when they try to be, but hilarious when he goes to take a step and falls on his face. (LOL)(LOL)
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I really don't want to get in this but even though I disagree with BT at times he seems like a hell of a nice guy.
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Im not upset with him. Just having a little fun at his expense. He should only expect it after accusing me falsely. If the roles had been reversed, he'd have been more than happy to let me know about it! (LOL);)
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No buck the buck kill didn't invrease by 40% in 2F.They wanted the herd stabilized and that 40% increase clearly showed the herd was starting to rebound.It doesn't mean that they're managing them to any long term difference.Hunters screamed and the PGC tried to stabilize almost every WMU. So we can all forget about scientific deer management based on herd health and forest health!!!!! |
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They never claimed the herd increased by 40%.However,when the harvest increased by that much,it's a strong indication that the herd did in fact increase.Since the goal was stabilization,they bumped the tags up a little.
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you sure know your stuff bb and you are right as usual :eek:[:o]
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ORIGINAL: DougE They never claimed the herd increased by 40%.However,when the harvest increased by that much,it's a strong indication that the herd did in fact increase.Since the goal was stabilization,they bumped the tags up a little. |
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ORIGINAL: bowtruck you sure know your stuff bb and you are right as usual :eek:[:o] If it was a compliment ,thanks a lot and if it was a shot in the shorts I hope you enjoyed it. |
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ahhhhh take it as you wish bb:)
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Since I always prefer a compliment to a shot in the shorts .I'll take it as a compliment. Thanks.
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To R.S.B.
I haven't had a chance to look into the link you posted containing expense and revenue info. But here is just one suggestion. Now that X-bows are legal the PaGC should mandate the bowhunter education course and charge a few $ more. I have no problem paying extra $ when I am getting something extra in return like the ability to bow hunt in Alaska using that Bow-Ed card. I attended the PaGC Cable Restraint class this past year. I have never trapped in my life and and still didn't learn anything from the class I hadn't already known except the "proper names" for parts of the restraint. I spent $15 for what? To learn very little but be able to use a cable restraint??? I have the utmost respect for "Respectable" WCO's and I understand your job isn't easy but your administration isn't helping you much more than they are helping the hunters in Pa. Your upper management sucks and better, more qualified people with legitimate credentialsshould replace them. I feel they are getting paid twice what they are worth. And every increased expensein this or that for the hunters "somehow" finds a way to make those who decide or vote on policy more wealthy. |
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good info.if i had my way the only people hired AT pgc would be WCO/LAND MANAGERS,rest, there is door.
if the PGC would just go to smaller fuel efficent vehicles they would save MILLIONS on insurance,repairs, tires, gas/oil. i know because our group saved our employeer bigtime on vehicle repairs. justdifference on size of tire can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. thats not including the lost labor/delay and tow trucks because of rusted nuts etc. |
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4EVER,How much of a paycut do you expect the commissioners to take?You do know that they don't get paid now.
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ORIGINAL: DougE 4EVER,How much of a paycut do you expect the commissioners to take?You do know that they don't get paid now. maybe he did not know. why would anyone want a position that is not paid.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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I stand corrected, Thank you DougE! You are correct, the commissioners are getting paid exactly what they deserve for the job they have done.
I believe some financial benefit can be received if the PAGC implements a cost for hunter education programs. This is just my opinion feel free to disagree but, I don't mind spending money on something that I know I am benefitting from. Pay some $ and in return receive training/education. I feel we should have a mandated bowhunter ed class especially now that there is the Xbow inclusion. Alot of rifle hunters will be hunting with a stringed weapon for the first time and there needs to be more emphasis on the ethics/ responsibility side of hunting with a bow in comparison to a gun. The method of dispatching an animal byhemorrage compared to shock and trauma is different and needs to beaddressedas so. Also, how about a muzzleloader course? Some states mandate them, which isn't a bad thing. The PaGC would have the ability to create a financial gain from these courses as well as creating a safer hunting experience for all. It isn't a "cure-all" but anything that will enable the PAGC to improve habitat I am fully in support of. But this money needs to go to habitat. If policies or programs are created for the sole purpose of habitat then put 100% of that money into habitat. Don't distribute it among other progams. |
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Actually if you want to think of it that way, THEY should be paying US restitution.
"But this money needs to go to habitat. If policies or programs are created for the sole purpose of habitat then put 100% of that money into habitat. Don't distribute it among other progams." Dont ever count on it. The pgc crowd are talking on another board about the new bill that would mandate that pgc would set aside at least 10% of the money they get from timbering towards habitat improvement/reforestation efforts. They are DEAD SET againstit, and again we areonly talking TEN STINKING PERCENT!! That tells me exactly how concerned they are with hunting, hunters and the habitat. Theyd rather have extra money at all times in case they have to answer for wrong doings, making them have to go without approved fee increases etc. All so they can cater to tree hugging allies. |
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This is why I hunt private land that I am able to manage myself with little influence from PAGC policies. Buy or lease what land you can and plant what you want, apply whateverlegal and upAntler Restriction you have your sights set on, allow however many doe you have determined to be above 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 ratio to be harvested. And limit traffic on those grounds to keep those deer at ease.
If I felt I had a great chance at harvesting a mature deer consistently on state game lands, I wouldn't have to spend the 100's, sometimes 1,000's of $ a year I do. I have given up on hoping the PAGC is going to do anything better than what they have in the past for the deer. I want big bucks but not at the cost of not seeing any deer for 3 or more days in a row (on public lands). I feel the PAGC is at a point where a successful outcome of any kind for anything other than turkey and bear isunlikely at best. They have to improve habitat and until they are willing to sacrifice whereever possible they will continue tosee a decrease inhunters and game populations. Eventually they will have little to offer the majority of hunters who will decide to give up hunting or choose to hunt other states where the game they pursue is plentiful. When it gets to that point Ohio is only 6 hrs away from me and I can hunt with my bow from late sept till february 7 days a week, many more opportunites to hunt and many more deer and small game species as well. I want to be able to hunt locally but when there is very little to hunt I won't buy a PA license? |
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well said 4evr i am lucky ny only stone throw away and i have around 3000 private acers i can hunt
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ORIGINAL: sproulman good info.if i had my way the only people hired AT pgc would be WCO/LAND MANAGERS,rest, there is door. if the PGC would just go to smaller fuel efficent vehicles they would save MILLIONS on insurance,repairs, tires, gas/oil. i know because our group saved our employeer bigtime on vehicle repairs. justdifference on size of tire can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. thats not including the lost labor/delay and tow trucks because of rusted nuts etc. You have made that comment several times in the past and I haven’t responded to it but I think I will now. You are wrong about smaller vehicles saving money. I remember when we were issued smaller vehicles and they cost more not less money to keep in operation. The full size vehicles ever get as good of gas mileage as the smaller vehicles. My personal vehicles is one size smaller then my state vehicle and my state vehicle gets better gas mileage. Even the Expedition I am presently issued is hardly big large enough for all the equipment we have to haul according to the garages that do our vehicle repairs and lightens. We just have to haul too much stuff around so much of the time, like what I have in my vehicle right now. I have two tire chains and should have all four in there. I have one tow chain, that gets used a good bit with all this snow. I have the required first-aid kit and fire extinguisher a box of road flares and a shovel. I also have an evidence kit, a tranquillizer gun and immobilization equipment box. There is a set of jumper cables and several ropes. There are rubber gloves, a law book, citation holders and various other paperwork containing in two brief cases. Then there is the standard radio two issued long guns. How much room do you think that takes up. Then right now we are into tagging turkeys so I have two bags of corn for about 100 pounds or so in their right now and when I go to trap turkeys there is a good bit more gear to do that including a large box that I have to haul on the deer rack. The garage is all the time tell me that the suspension on these vehicles is not heavy enough for all the gear we haul. Then figure that on many days I will have two or three deer or maybe a four or five hundred pound bear on the deer rack. Come time to do hunter/trapper education I have to take almost everything else out of my vehicle just to get my hunter education equipment all in the vehicle and we just got more of that that I’m still not sure I am going to be able to haul all in one trip. Now add the fact that there are times when I have to hook up a trailer and pull that loaded with equipment behind my vehicle when we are doing defensive tactics training or if I am moving a skid type bear trap, or for that matter just a bear trap with a bear of several hundred pounds. If you were to see what all we have to do with these vehicles you certainly wouldn’t be thinking we needed a smaller one. We have tried that and believe me smaller vehicle aren’t a good investment at all for the vehicle needs we have, they don’t save money they cost more money in both gas and repairs. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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I remember when they were using them little Cherokees.:eek::eek:
Expeditions are big but they are built for soft ride, not heavy duty hauling. The GC should go with crew cab HD trucks with full bed and tall caps. |
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I know several people with S-10's, Colorado's, and Trailblazers that don't get any better mileage than I do in my crew cab Sierra. Having a vehicle big enough for the job actually prevents repair bills that come from overloading a smaller vehicle even if that only happens occasionally.
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I hada 96 and a 99 Jimmy.They ate hub assemblies and ball joints on a regular basis.They also got crappy mileage.I've had 1/2 ton trucks and never replaced anything.My trucks gets used hard as I haul heavy loads of hay and horses on a regular basis.Insurance premiums were alsolower on the 1/2 ton trucks.I have a 3/4 ton HD now and while it gets,a little worse fuel mileage,it isn't much worse than the small ones.However,the ability to stand up to heavy use,isn't even comparable.
I've roade along with R.S.B on several occassions.A small tinker toy wouldn't cut the mustard. |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter I know several people with S-10's, Colorado's, and Trailblazers that don't get any better mileage than I do in my crew cab Sierra. Having a vehicle big enough for the job actually prevents repair bills that come from overloading a smaller vehicle even if that only happens occasionally. everything was looked at and our vehicles were treated rougher and worst conditions than the PGC uses theirs. |
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ORIGINAL: DougE I hada 96 and a 99 Jimmy.They ate hub assemblies and ball joints on a regular basis.They also got crappy mileage.I've had 1/2 ton trucks and never replaced anything.My trucks gets used hard as I haul heavy loads of hay and horses on a regular basis.Insurance premiums were alsolower on the 1/2 ton trucks.I have a 3/4 ton HD now and while it gets,a little worse fuel mileage,it isn't much worse than the small ones.However,the ability to stand up to heavy use,isn't even comparable. I've roade along with R.S.B on several occassions.A small tinker toy wouldn't cut the mustard. no way a bigger vehicle is saving.it is money pit. if rsb needs to haul a 800 pd bear, use a trailer. go to K&l auto in renovo area. they repair the trucks from DCNR. go talk to them. they are broke all time,even local WCO retired was in there a LOT with his vehicle. smaller vehicles will break too but COST TO REPAIR IS GREAT DIFFERENCE FROM BIGGER VEHICLES. trust me, our study for 2 years opened many eyes.;) just getting a 6 cyl vrs a 8 cyl saved a ton of money on gas/oil/repairs on engine alone. just going to bias ply tires vrs radial tires saved over million. radials get 5 times flats as a bias ply do and the bias get hole in bottom that can be repaired BUT radial gets hole in sidewall, cant be repaired. 15 inch tire is much cheaper than 16/17 |
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ORIGINAL: livbucks I remember when they were using them little Cherokees.:eek::eek: Expeditions are big but they are built for soft ride, not heavy duty hauling. The GC should go with crew cab HD trucks with full bed and tall caps. |
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ORIGINAL: R.S.B. ORIGINAL: sproulman good info.if i had my way the only people hired AT pgc would be WCO/LAND MANAGERS,rest, there is door. if the PGC would just go to smaller fuel efficent vehicles they would save MILLIONS on insurance,repairs, tires, gas/oil. i know because our group saved our employeer bigtime on vehicle repairs. justdifference on size of tire can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. thats not including the lost labor/delay and tow trucks because of rusted nuts etc. You have made that comment several times in the past and I haven’t responded to it but I think I will now. You are wrong about smaller vehicles saving money. I remember when we were issued smaller vehicles and they cost more not less money to keep in operation. The full size vehicles ever get as good of gas mileage as the smaller vehicles. My personal vehicles is one size smaller then my state vehicle and my state vehicle gets better gas mileage. Even the Expedition I am presently issued is hardly big large enough for all the equipment we have to haul according to the garages that do our vehicle repairs and lightens. We just have to haul too much stuff around so much of the time, like what I have in my vehicle right now. I have two tire chains and should have all four in there. I have one tow chain, that gets used a good bit with all this snow. I have the required first-aid kit and fire extinguisher a box of road flares and a shovel. I also have an evidence kit, a tranquillizer gun and immobilization equipment box. There is a set of jumper cables and several ropes. There are rubber gloves, a law book, citation holders and various other paperwork containing in two brief cases. Then there is the standard radio two issued long guns. How much room do you think that takes up. Then right now we are into tagging turkeys so I have two bags of corn for about 100 pounds or so in their right now and when I go to trap turkeys there is a good bit more gear to do that including a large box that I have to haul on the deer rack. The garage is all the time tell me that the suspension on these vehicles is not heavy enough for all the gear we haul. Then figure that on many days I will have two or three deer or maybe a four or five hundred pound bear on the deer rack. Come time to do hunter/trapper education I have to take almost everything else out of my vehicle just to get my hunter education equipment all in the vehicle and we just got more of that that I’m still not sure I am going to be able to haul all in one trip. Now add the fact that there are times when I have to hook up a trailer and pull that loaded with equipment behind my vehicle when we are doing defensive tactics training or if I am moving a skid type bear trap, or for that matter just a bear trap with a bear of several hundred pounds. If you were to see what all we have to do with these vehicles you certainly wouldn’t be thinking we needed a smaller one. We have tried that and believe me smaller vehicle aren’t a good investment at all for the vehicle needs we have, they don’t save money they cost more money in both gas and repairs. R.S. Bodenhorn get smaller vehicle with side boxes on.they have locks to store. put cab on back of truck to store. get a trailer to haul heavy weight. you would be surprised to see how tough a well built trailer is, i see snowmobilers with over 1,000 pds of snowmobilers back on some of roughest roads in area. |
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Who cares what they drive, I am a more concerned with what they do and how the PGC is managing the herd.
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