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You are just blowing smoke and have no idea what you are talking about. WMU 2G could support as many if not more deer than 2F if the PGC would reduce the antlerless allocations. But ,for some unknown reason that neither you or I can explain the PGC is managing the herds at dramatically different DDs.

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You can't refute me with any real facts so you resort to character assassination. Try harder.
You base your position on the fact that it happened in the past, so it must be ok. The 40 dpsm only gave the fuel for hr.

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I'd rather be know as letting a 10 year old harvest a doe and putting someone elses tag on it, than what you and your friends do. To snare a buck, have the WCO put it down for you and then tag it as a bow harvest, shows how hard up you guys are for a deer.

I never had the urge to hunt the NC deer farm, wanting to see 75 to 100 deer a day is for city slickers like yourself. As far as I'm concerned the PGC should have kept the tags high in 2G, like they did everywhere else in the state, then they could have stopped the slaughter in the better habitat.

If the NC had better habitat, guys like you would never even see a deer, deer in my area don't walk around all day looking for food like they do in the NC.

My cousins husband also has a bad case from a tick bite, he can't work anymore and half the time doesn't know he is talking about. Get my drift.

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If I recall, DougE claimed that many of his 2G and 4D public land hotspots are very steep slopes. He may correct me if I'm wrong. In my own personal experiences, deer frequently use steep slopes, and many steep slopes boast old, mature oaks and even a few remnant chestnuts that survived the saws (but sadly not the blight.) The steepness of the terrain often dissuaded the loggers, and often today dissuades all but the heartiest hunters. South facing slopes are a late season hunter's dream, for obvious reasons being the faster snow melt, thermal advantages, easy escape, beneficial wind currents, and the photosynthetic advantage of the browse found there. Of course not to mention the refuge the deer seek there when the orange army invades each fall. Add even a trace of a bench on that slope and you have a natural travel corridor as well as a preffered bedding area. So have you hunted deer long?;)

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Now saying someone is just blowing smoke is character assassination?


The fact still remains that neither you, RSB,BTB or anyone else can list the criteria that would justify why the PGC is managing 2F at 22 PS DPSM and 2G at 12 PS DPSM. Are you now claiming the PGC is lying about using herd and forest health as the basis for allocating doe tags and managing the herd?

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I thought you meant the Ganja.:D

Slopes are one thing, sheer cliffs with no browse are another. In winter with heavy snow and ice, deer will avoid very steep slopes and winter where deer like to do that sort of thing. You guys are twistin' yet again. Of course you might see deer there earlier in winter and when they get chased there to seek refuge. The deer live on in the wilds long after the hunters have gone. They actually do.

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I see you want to talk about anything but why the two WMUs are managed at different densities. That is a common tactic used by those that can't answer the question.

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Listen, if you paid any attention, I have been at odds with Doug at times because I do believe that the DD is mismanaged in many areas. That is why I believe in smaller WMU's. Everyone likes to go to the big woods for the great hunt, but often the heavy deer concentrations are elsewhere in that WMU. They treat a huge area as one pie. Unfortunately, deer do travel and choose where they want to go. We can't distribute them evenly like pepperoni on a pizza where everybody that partakes will get a piece. You have to decide if you want that wild experience, or a better chance at a deer. Sometimes you get both.

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Screaming steel.I don't ever remember saying I hunted 4D.I did when I was in college but that was over 20 years ago.I do hunt some spots that have very steep slopes but Idon't actually hunt on the slopes themselves.I usually find a bench or hunt the flats on top or at the bottom of these areas.There's areas I know of that I honestly couldn't imagine how a person could traverse the slopes.I messed up a few years ago while dragging a deer back to my truck.I literally had to hold on to trees and push the deer down almost verticle inclines.Surprising,the deer do move around these areas pretty freely.The steep ridges save alot of of deer.In northern 2Gthere's vaststeep areas that get very little hunting pressure.It's fun to stillhunt the tops of these ridges if there's a bench just below the top.At the first wiff of human scent,these deerjust drop off the face of these slopes.It's a touigh hunt but rewarding when sneak up a some bedded deer.

The lower half of 2G have some steep hills but it's really a much different landscape.

The deer really can use most of the available habitat when there's no snow on the ground.Some of it's good and much of it is poor.The problem arises during winter when we have prolonged preiods of snow.The deer get pushed off of the higher ridge tops and move intop the valleys.We run into a problem when the there isn't sufficient browse in the lower elevations.Even with a lower deer density,enough deer concentrate in tese areas to devistate what habitat is there.All the browse in the world on the ridge topsdoesn't do the deer any good if they can't get at it.I took a ride this past summer with our district forester to look at many of their timber sales and shelter wood cuts.Alot of the cuts on the ridge tops were regenerating very well and they weren't fence.Part of the reason was lower deer denities and part of the reason was that there's almost no deer in those areas during the winter,when most of the damage occurs.R.S.B also has some excellent examples of the same thing in his district.Managing the habitat in mountainous regions id definately different than managing it in low lying areas.

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You say what I mean so well, Doug.;)

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I'm still not convinced that 2G is being actually managed at a different dd than 2F.2f has more more dpsm and their allocation have dropped signficantly like 2g's has.However,I feel the PGC just decided to greatly decrease allocations in both of these units because hunters were screaming so loud.The plan was stabilization and they just got stabilzed at different deer densities.I don't see anywherethat the long term management plan is to manage 2F at almost twice the deer density of 2G.I honestly don't know what's happening with the deer population in 2F.I can say that my personal observation and the observation of most of the guys I hunt with is that the deer herd has definately increased in the areas where I spend time in 2G.What I see is a huge lack of pressure in this unit.

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First of all that wasnt me but I commend Greg for his selfless act. Second, that is a complete distortion. Have you been taking lessons from Blueboy?
Greg didn't claim that deer as a bowkill. Should he have simply wasted it?

You really can't read can you? wanting to see 75-100 deer a day? Talk to Bluebird about that not me. City slicker? My "city" has 80 families living here. You are truly clueless! Otherwise I agree with you about the NC

You should stick to what you know. First, I hunt NW not NC. Second, how would you know what deer do all day there? Third, only a complete idiot would claim that its easy to hunt deer in poor habitat because they "walk around all day looking for food". That one is simply hilarious! You obviously havent got a clue.


Cheap shot. Amusing but certainly not surprising. I've certainly seen far worse from smarter people. But go ahead and take some more. What else should we expect from a guy who will intentionally teach a 10 year old to disrespect the law and proudly brag about it. Hopefully the kid has enough inherent consciense to not take your lead when it comes to making more important right vs wrong decisions. You must be so proud. Withthe leadership of your moral compass, whats next? High fives when he shoplifts that pair of running shoes. Backslaps when he breaks into someones home? Maybe you should get him a crack pipe for his birthday. Just a few cheap shots down on your level.:D

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We aren't discussing the long term goals for 2F and 2G we are discussing how the PGC managed those WMU's from 2000 to 2007 and it is clear they are managing those WMUs at significantly different DD. When I ask Dr. Rosenberry he did not say that those 2 WMUs weren't being managed at different densities, I simply said he did know why it was happening.

Did the PGC increase antlerless allocations for 2007 in 2F when they increased tags in 2G. If not, then it is even more clear that the PGC is intentionally managing those 2 WMUs at different densities.

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No buck the buck kill didn't invrease by 40% in 2F.They wanted the herd stabilized and that 40% increase clearly showed the herd was starting to rebound.It doesn't mean that they're managing them to any long term difference.Hunters screamed and the PGC tried to stabilize almost every WMU.

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Glad to hear you hunt in the NW, not the NC, that puts you that much further away from this area. We have enough pot hunters coming out of Philly and the surrounding area to keep our deer herd in check. If they would increase the allocations in the big woods, we could send them back up to play hunter for a day or two, rather than have them shooting fawns and think they are a great white hunter like you.

Here in the Northern part of the SE/Southern part of theNE, we have true bow hunters. They hunt with bow only, if they don't harvest a deer with a bow they don't go out with a rifle in rifle season just to try and fill their unused tag. That is the sign of a true bow hunters, which mygrandsons father is one of them, plus i have a son in N.Y. feels the same way.

Did your parents have any normal children or are you an only child?

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While you are quick to accuse others of lying, it is you who has trouble telling the truth. Livbucks admitted the WCO allowed him to put his tag on the buck. That way Livbucks didn't have to pay $10/point for the rack.

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What kind of convoluted thought process are you using. WMU 2F still had more DPSM than 2G even with the 40% increase in the buck harvest in 2G.
The simple fact is that the PGC did not attempt to reduce the herd in 2F to 12 DPSM like in 2G and none of you PGC supporters or Dr. Rosenberry can explain the different management goals.

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"My cousins husband also has a bad case from a tick bite, he can't work anymore and half the time doesn't know he is talking about. Get my drift. "

Less oxygen to the brain due to a bad ticker not pumping enough blood also has that effect.

"What kind of convoluted thought process are you using."

So basically what you are saying bluebird is we have a pgc flunky that is full of beans and has no clue what they are talking about/ (GASP!) I dont believe it!:D:D

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if we only had 1000 dpsm and giant 10 points the ne forums would almost be blank

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I guess you got me there.... not! I do hunt the gun season. You were half right with your assumption. The part you were wrong about is that I do it with a bow. As a matter of fact my best PA buckwas shot with a bow from his bedon the second Monday of rifle season.My second best PA buck cameon Jan 12 again with the bow in anSRA with gun hunters all over the place.

I also notice you didnt include yourself when you described what a real bowhunter is. Given your disregard for the Game laws, I'm glad that you don't put yourself in with our group.

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"if we only had 1000 dpsm and giant 10 points the ne forums would almost be blank "

Probably be full of "good" commentary from pgc if treehuggers had never took over the PGC.

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how should wildlife managment be funded
simply with money if they need more to even to the same job they have been you either give it/ let them do a worse job and cut things or they find it elsewhere imho there is no good answer to the question right know

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There is no "eslewhere" for them to find it currently.

They havent "given in" because they havent gotten to the point yet where they must. They made meager insignificant cuts that they were all too willing to "live with" to avoid having to make changes. That is soon not to be the case.

They "tested the water" with the rediculous offer of nothing, with the changes in the few wmus. The longer the holdout goes on, the higher the offer will increase. No doubt about it.

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I hunted with the bow during the late 50's and early 60's, had no trouble seeing deer even though they weren't at that time. My marksmanship was questionable and I never hit a deer, in fact it wasn't easy drawing the bow when everyone hunted from the ground. After having lost two hit deer, that others had shot, I had to make a choice between practicing or quit.

I have no problem with bow hunters as a group, just the ones that aren'ttruthful as are a lot of rifle hunters.

How did you shoot a buck from his bed, did you know he was coming back or was that his area in the shed?

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I wouldn't expect you to be able to fathom how it could be done and your weak attempt at implying that it was in the shedas part of your question doesn't deserve an answer but I'll give you one anyway. I certainly don't have to worry that you'll ever hurt the deer population by succeeding at it yourself even after I tell you how.

I walked in on him on my way to my stand. Had the benefit of a stiff crosswind whichhelped maskmy noise and kept my scent away. How I saw him first? I was intimately familiar with the area and sometimes busted deer from that very spot on my way in and I just was better than he was that particualr day and saw him first. A once in a lifetime situation? maybe. Lucky? Sure! I've found over the years that the longer you work at something te luckier you get. BTW, I know you'll ask. He was 3 1/2 and 130"

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Why were you walking through a bedding area to get to your stand?

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I could explain, but based onan evaluation of your level of deer hunting skill,you need to complete deer hunting 101, 102, 103 and 104 before it would do you any good.

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I was just picking on you a bit, you said you shot him from his bed not in his bed. The part about the shed was just put in so as not to tarnish my reputation.

My father had a hunting buddy, before I started hunting in '54, that could move through the woods like a native american, but he was a light footed Italian. He once shot an eight pointer in his bed, along a trail that hunters used to trail up and down the mountain. Yes he was a rack hunter and there were a lot of them years ago, no big deal to them if they didn't get a deer each year and when they did it was one to be proud of.

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I'll explain it for you. It was the shortest distance to your stand from your parking spot.

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OK, taken in that spirit!;) Actually I didn't shoot him IN the bed. I had to wait him out from 16 yards away for 2 1/2 hours till hestood up and presented a shot. Longest 2 1/2 hours of my life!!! Cramps, parts falling asleep, bleary eyed from straining to see his eyes to see if I could relax a minute, It was a grueling afternoon. If I'd have missed, well, I don't even want to think about it;)

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I was wrong, you're not ready yet for deer hunting 101.

Get back to me when you've purchased and read deer hunting for dummies. Once you get through the book, you need to find 5 legal live deer all in the same season. Then we can enroll you in deer hunting 101

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You are so full of crapolla i don't know why anyone would believe anything you post.

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I was going to explain that he was in a grapevine tangle and I had no shot till he stood but I realized that you simply cant fathom how other hunters can possibly be successful in light of your hunting accomplishments. Would you feel better if I told you that this was pre AR/HR? It actually was. It was 2001. Feel better now? I did it without Gary Alts help. Happy now?

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"You are so full of crapolla i don't know why anyone would believe anything you post."

What ever gave you the indication that anyone does?:D

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Here it comes. Another cornhole, thumpin on his chest, declaration about how we're all inferior hunters and how big and bad he is and how he's gonna kick someones butt with his big body builders muscles

Oops forgot we gotta add in some LOL ha ha ha's

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WAAA! LOL.

I never said I was gonna kick anybodys butt. And I certainly don't pick onthe handicappedwith bad tickers and lyme disease.

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Really want me to find the black eye, busted nose post? It's all in the archives tough guy!

Here's just one of your recent blowhard blowups

Do you really want to see any more? theres plenty

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""Really want me to find the black eye, busted nose post? It's all in the archives tough guy!

Here's just one of your recent blowhard blowups




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HA HA HA!!! I think you'd better apply a tourniquet to your neck. That tick bite toxin is going to your brain. That wasnt me idiot.! (LOL)

That was another dude when he started the argument with doug. I got in on the "frucus" after that and agitated some. (LOL) But didnt say anything like that. Better check the name on that post. I remember him saying it, but cant remember his id. Not gonna look for it wasting my time. Please point out the post thread and time/date it was made unless youwould just rather admit to being acomplete liar.

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