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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

I'm sure that you're quite correct bowtruck. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. Heck, even a stopped watch is right twice a day!

I qualify what I say here by first saying that while I believe in much of what the PGC is doing, I formed those opinions of my own accord and am certainly not a spokesman for the PGC. Some of my recent postings should serve to support that statement.


Bluebird has seemingly infinite patience in sifting through data and I'm sure he finds some valid points from time to time. Theproblem is that he has demonstrated no room for compromise and seldom if ever has anything but negatives to present. Always a miriad of problems with nary a solution. He has one mission and one only. That is to discredit the PGC and all it does. He has yet to offer anything positive, only harsh criticism and most often he presents it in an unfair, twisted distorted fashion designed to fit his agenda.

For example, in another thread currently on here, a WCO offered his assistance to communicate with local sportsmens groups by attending their meetings. Bluebirds response? "Don't bother because you'll just hear PGC propaganda" Bluebird doesn't want an open dialogue.Yoo gotta worry about someone who doesnt want folks to hear both sides.He just wants a soapbox to scream from and he often resorts to lies and distortions to make his case.

He also constantly dismisses the research and findings of respected wildlife professionals from all over this world, not just Pa guys, claiming "they don't understand their own data" How can we possibly take someone like that seriously?

It's a shame he won't utilize his talents and tenacity to try to do somethingconstructive.

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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

EJ, you are correct that license fees paid for gamelands. Unfortunately, the money there is to spend on them isn't enough to do all that could be done to enhance habitat. A lot of our gamelands is stuff they got cheap because it wasn't that good for much to begin with and making it good for wlidlife while trying to make it pay for itself isn't always the easiest task. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done better. I beleive it could in many places. I'm just saying that it can be a big job taking a chunk of ground that no one wants and turning it into a game paradise which is what we'd all like to see.

Iwould support for a user fee for gamelands that would be set aside strictly for maintenance and improvement of those gamelands. I'd supprt a user fee for anyone using them but we also need a higher fee for non hunters who wish to use them. even If we never have a user fee for hunters, we still should still charge non hunters who hike, bicycle, fish, birdwatch, horseback ride etc on gamelands. I pay taxes but I still have to pay launch fees tolaunch a canoe or camp or use a pavillionin a state park, why shouldnt the PGC charge non hunters to use what hunters have paid for?


I don't remember the exact percentage but I did see it just a short time ago and the PGC only holds the mineral rights for a small portion of the states gamelands.

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ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

I think a lot of hunter should stop patting themselves on the back for purchasing SGL, most were purchased before we were born. Currently other organizations are purchasing land at a higher price and selling it to the PGC at a loss to them. They should get more credit for what we are gettingthan the hunters that use them.

you are right on this coalcracker

We seem to have a lot of cheap skates in our ranks, they don't want to give the PGC any more money, whoever feels that way it's fine with me. But, they also don't want to part with a dollar, even if we could restrict that money to where we want it to be used.

If I spend my own money to pay the taxes on my land, cut down trees and leave them lay, buy equipment to plant food plots and the seeds, fertilizer and other expenses to improve my hunting, I don't understand why a SGL hunter expects to have the same thing I have, just because he purchases a license like I do.

Times have changed guys, if all your interested in meat for you and your family to eat, there are a lot of roadkills out there and not just deer. If you can't afford the license and your family is hungry, our roads will be full of dead groundhogs and hear they are quite tasty if your wife is a decent cook.

groundhogs no thanks coal i will pass

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yes btb i realize most of what ol bluebird post is twisted its to bad all
he sees is the negatives of what pgc does and none of the positives

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

That is simply not true. The PGC has done a great job with turkeys and bears. They did a fine job increasing the amount of SGLs and IMHO they do a pretty good job of managing them for wildlife. They also did a fine job of managing the deer from 1980 to 2000 resulting in record buck and total harvests.

What I object to is the current deer management plan which was sold based on lies that can be documented and the lies are continuing to this day and they can also documented and that is why we have the USP lawsuit.

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who was the bio that did the good job with the bears

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its good to see you were happy at one point in time
when 80 deer a day run by you

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how long was alt involved with bears how long did he get with deer

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