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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

I'm gladdon't see the hatred some of you have for the P.G.C. on a regular basis.
Don't any of you have friends or family you disagree with on differentthings yet still maintain a relationship with?
I don't expect any form of government to live up to my expectations but some of your personalattacks go way beyond what I would ever accept as constructive criticism.
I'm sure not jumping with joy over our deer numbers but I refuse make it a thorn in my side, where as for a couple of you seem to view it as the reason you get out of bed in the morning. Really go buy a puppy ,go volunteer some of yourtime or just find a way to get a life.
As a hunter I hate to picture the harm you do to the image for the rest of us without even knowing it.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

I'm about done its time for me to hit the woods and cut some browse for the deer,but before I go think a moment about this.

Sportsman's Clubs are loosing members at a frighting rate, ever think why that is?

My guess is every club has a couple of members that believe they are always right and refuse to even look into what another member suggests, you know the guys the ones that let passion blindfold them and then they try to justify their poignant ways asjust doing whats good for the club and the other members that aren't as informed.
There is a big difference in being passionate and being pompous.

I knowall of your mothers told you that you were always right,but remember only my mother, was right.;)

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

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It would not be the solution if they just repeated the same old lies they have been spreading since 2000. The PGC has tried Alt's propaganda tours, open houses,PCN interviews , informational pamphlets and press releases. What hunters want to see is a real change in direction and some honest answers. Until the PGC starts telling the truth ,nothing will change.

That was my response to Blkpowder. I did not tell him not to have a meeting with a WCO or other PGC staff. I simply voiced my opinion that the PGC had already tried to convince hunters to accept their deer management plans. Some accepted and believed what the PGC said and others feel they were lied to and are very unhappy with the current situation.

What do you think the PGC could tell the hunters that would resolve the current dissension.?

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

It should be funded through the general fund.The wco's are responsible for alot of wildlife calls from private non hunting citizens.Plenty of habitat,time,and money is spent on non game animals so let the general fund kick in and pay the share.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

"I'm gladdon't see the hatred some of you have for the P.G.C. on a regular basis.
Don't any of you have friends or family you disagree with on differentthings yet still maintain a relationship with?"

Friends and family are close personal relationships. Our relationship as hunters with pgc currently are about as far from that as it gets.

"I'm sure not jumping with joy over our deer numbers but I refuse make it a thorn in my side, where as for a couple of you seem to view it as the reason you get out of bed in the morning. "

And if there is ever change, it wont be because of you sitting there keeping your mouth shut Jim. It will be because many of us refused to bend over on command. Because there is no problem if its not spoken of.

Pgc is playing hardball and are staunch in their position. If you oppose that position on issues you better be just as hard and just as staunch and that isnt enough....Better also hope for some luck along the way.;) If you disagree strongly on issues or feel something should change and arent trying towards that end, youre just taking up space.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Friends and family are close personal relationships. Our relationship as hunters with pgc currently are about as far from that as it gets.

And how bennifical is that?

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"I'm sure not jumping with joy over our deer numbers but I refuse make it a thorn in my side, where as for a couple of you seem to view it as the reason you get out of bed in the morning. "

And if there is ever change, it wont be because of you sitting there keeping your mouth shut Jim. It will be because many of us refused to bend over on command. Because there is no problem if its not spoken of.

I buy doe tags that I have no intention of using. I post my and my neighbors land,and I do all I can to protect the deer that we have.I believe it is hunters not the pgc that arekilling the doe we need.

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Pgc is playing hardball and are staunch in their position. If you oppose that position on issues you better be just as hard and just as staunch and that isnt enough....Better also hope for some luck along the way.;) If you disagree strongly on issues or feel something should change and arent trying towards that end, youre just taking up space.

I'm seeing it as a war they have the big money,but In America we can own the land ,andlong ago I realized that to be free of big brother you need to own a small piece of America and use it as you see fit.

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Friends and family are close personal relationships. Our relationship as hunters with pgc currently are about as far from that as it gets.

And how bennifical is that?

So what is your solution to the problem? should we just sit back and shut up and let the PGC do whatever it wants?

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

"And how bennifical is that?"

Its not. But it isnt a situation that the hunters have asked for. Would I like PGC/hunter relations to be better? Of course. Currently pgc doesnt see that as a high priority and I don't hold the power to make peace. They do.

RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?

We don't want a handout from the General Fund. When the PGC does work for non game, their time and expenses should be billed to the General Fund. I'm sure other departments or agencies bill the PGC for worked performed by them.

With the number of hunter decreasing each year, I think it's time to stop buying SGL's, take that money and useit for creating better habitat on our land, starting with replacing all our land crew and increasing their numbers.

I feel it's unfair to just increase the general license for everyone, those of us that have our own land or belong to leases don't hunt SGL's. We pay our own taxes or payments to hunt on leases and clubs, plus put our time and money into bettering the habitat and food plots. Lets have the hunters that use the SGL pay a fee to hunt them, this money would go towards the upkeep of those SGL. This would stop a lot of hunters from hunting the SGL on the first day, then hunting their own private land after that. If these hunters also want to hunt the SGL, let them pay twice if that is what they wish to do.

Hunters applying for antlerless tags to be used on public land, should only be allowed to receive one tag, those applying for private land tags, should be allowed to purchase private land tags until theyrun out or make them unlimited if they want to. If a hunter is dumb enough to shoot every deer on his private land, he doesn't deserve to have deer there anyway.

We need to find a way to get the pressure off the SGL's, at least on our doe harvest, rather than losing hunters like we are.

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ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

We don't want a handout from the General Fund. When the PGC does work for non game, their time and expenses should be billed to the General Fund. I'm sure other departments or agencies bill the PGC for worked performed by them.

With the number of hunter decreasing each year, I think it's time to stop buying SGL's, take that money and useit for creating better habitat on our land, starting with replacing all our land crew and increasing their numbers.

I feel it's unfair to just increase the general license for everyone, those of us that have our own land or belong to leases don't hunt SGL's. We pay our own taxes or payments to hunt on leases and clubs, plus put our time and money into bettering the habitat and food plots. Lets have the hunters that use the SGL pay a fee to hunt them, this money would go towards the upkeep of those SGL. This would stop a lot of hunters from hunting the SGL on the first day, then hunting their own private land after that. If these hunters also want to hunt the SGL, let them pay twice if that is what they wish to do.

Hunters applying for antlerless tags to be used on public land, should only be allowed to receive one tag, those applying for private land tags, should be allowed to purchase private land tags until theyrun out or make them unlimited if they want to. If a hunter is dumb enough to shoot every deer on his private land, he doesn't deserve to have deer there anyway.

We need to find a way to get the pressure off the SGL's, at least on our doe harvest, rather than losing hunters like we are.

When we buy a license we allready paid for the SGL to hunt.
We bought the SGL with our license purchase and now you want us to pay again?

With all the natural gas found in PA and the PGC has the mineral rights on SGL. There is no need for anincrease of license or to pay more to hunt SGL. Actually, Them gas rights belong to us hunters also. We paid for that land and mineral rights. Now why can't that money go towards funding other non game animals and just use our hunting license fee for our game animals and rebuild habitat by planting food plots thru out the state. They make seeds that germinate and grow in low light and all types of soil condition? All they would have to do is buy the seeds and drop it during rain so it gets covered on its own and let it go? But I think it is more to just the timber industry. Maybe like the insurance agencies who loose how much in accidents claims from wildlife every year?