[quote]ORIGINAL: bluebird2

So are you claiming the PGC based our ARs on a study that has no relevance to PA?
[quote][Whats simply ridiculous is your claim that you understand the study results better than the most one of the repected deer biologists in the world today. /quote]

Kroll said the results from Miss. was based on the theory of once a spike always a spike. the report RSB posted from Miss. showed there was no reason for culling spikes , which directly refutes the claims of kroll.

here is a quote from the Miss. report.
Duh! The Miss study simply said that culling spikes was not viable. That simply means that they knew it couldnt be done effectively not that they didn'taccept the premise of "once a spike always a spike"

For us to accept your conclusions vs Dr Krolls conclusionsconcerning the Miss study makes about as much sense as me asking my plumber how to cure lyme disease and taking his advice overmy doctors.


BTW you're outdoors a lot........

I think you might want toget tested ASAP

No hunters shouldn’t be the only ones the Game Commission listens to. Is this a joke?

I'm a big fan of the PA Fish Commission. They listen to and work with the people who usethe commonwealthsresources. And I've never experienced any of the arrogance that I've seen with the PGC. When the PGC annual report was given to the House Fish and Game committee (the last one I watched on PCN), the committee brought up this very issue.

I agree. The majority of the board who are treehugging antideer idiots are VERY arrogant. A few of the absolute worst commissioners in Pa history and thats a fact.

Horrible attitudes and treehugging antideer views. Total package. Only way it could be possibly worse ever would be is they were completely antihunting.

RSB

I respect you and your posts are informative and I often (not always) agree with you but that one was out of line.

I agree that the PGC is charged with managing all wildlife but that last statement paints all hunters with one brush and the vast majority of hunters out there do support good management for all species. As the ones who have always voluntarily paid the bills, and your salary by the way,we deserve to be heard. Not to the exclusion of all others but we deserve to be heard.Others deserve to be heard too, of course butyou were just plain out of line to make that blanket statement toward all hunters.

The fact that we have a minority of dissenters making noise right now is no excuse for the statement you just made and you owe Pennsylvania's hunters an apology.

"No hunters shouldn’t be the only ones the Game Commission listens to."

Currently hunters are the onlyones with NO say. The treehuggers are heard, thetimbermen, the crossbow manufacturers. It never ends.

"Hunters have in the past chosen to be the ones paying for wildlife management."

Hunters are the only reason that godforsaken joke of an agency exists in the first place! Little did the huntersknow 100 years later the hunters would be stabbed in the back by the agency now taken over bytree hugging fruitcakes.

"I can assure you that don’t care if hunters fund the agency or not, in fact I am becoming more and more convinced that wildlife management would be better off if we worked from the general fund and told hunter to take a flying leap with their money."

Ive made my opinions clear to our fine reps and senate that in NO WAY do I support a license fee increase with the current corruption and nonsense going on within pgc. Id encourage anyone else concerned to do the same, it has been working thusfar. No responsible management= no money. PERIOD. Pgcs crying about "blackmail" and all kind of other nonsense are quite funny imho. Like the thief calling the home owner they stole from a crook.

I am sure there will be plenty of hunters willing to hunt because they like to hunt as well as being part of the management solutions. The way it is now it isn’t working because of the snibbling, whining and unwilling to learn hunters working with the self serving politicians to bleed wildlife management out of existence.

You and many of your cohorts that call your selves hunters while promoting your quasi anti-hunting agenda really are the problem that has always stood in the way of better management of our resources. That needs to come to an end.

Yes, it would be a great thing to have the license fee money going to the General Fund and then having all of the tax payers funding wildlife management, like they do with other state agencies. There would then be an annual budget and it certainly couldn’t be more dismiss then the lack of funding hunters provide now.

Having a different funding method has nothing to do with how hunters or trappers would continue to be used as a valuable management tool. The difference would simply be that all of the state’s citizens would be paying for the benefits of the state’s wildlife management.

What we have now as a funding method is very adequately proving that it doesn’t work to the benefit of anyone or the future of our wildlife resources.

R.S. Bodenhorn

Thats the spirit btb, now quit yer shmoozin', anddilly-dallying with kid gloves. Throw the &*#&* gloves down and start swinging for the fence! (LOL)

"I am sure there will be plenty of hunters willing to hunt because they like to hunt as well as being part of the management solutions. The way it is now it isn’t working because of the snibbling, whining and unwilling to learn hunters working with the self serving politicians to bleed wildlife management out of existence. "

Actually pgc is in the pickle they are in due to treehugging commissioners who, like yourself, are quite arrogant and should have no place overseeing our game management. The skunks need smoked out of the woodpile. When the woodpilequits stinking, all will be well once more. We need hunter representation and not a handful of pretenders who are complete ecoflake nuts.

Thanks for the apology RSB. We promise to conform like sheep from now on. Shame on us for voicing our observations and opinions.

Hunters are heard, they always have been. But, when it gets to the point, as it is now, that the agency can no longer affectively manage the wildlife resources due the lack of funding it simply isn’t working.

Since hunters are the only ones that fund the agency who is too blame, but the hunters? Obviously the hunters that do support adequately funding, and I do believe that is the majority, aren’t being affective or we wouldn’t be trying to run wildlife management on a shoestring budget.

Most hunters aren’t taking the time to contact their Legislators and Senators to demand that their wildlife management agency be adequately funded so how you could believe they really even care about having a voice?

Think about it and then tell me who is too blame, if the majority of the hunters really are supportive of sound wildlife management practices and principles, and then adequately funding that management.

What we have now is NOT WORKING! The Game Commission can’t force the funding initiatives, only the citizens of this Commonwealth have that power. If that power doesn’t come from the hunters I can promise you it will eventually come from someone other then hunters. If you believe, or even remotely think, that hunters have no say now what do you think is going to happen after hunters are no longer the force taking the initiative to push adequate funding forward through the State Legislature?

R.S. Bodenhorn