RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

LMFAO!

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

There is no denying, that the more buck that are carried over, the more that will live beyond that present hunting season.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

But there is also no denying that the more bucks that are carried over,the more will be lost to non-hunting mortality and wasted,thereby directly reducing the future buck harvests.

Also, by reducing the B/D ratio ARs reduce the number of over wintering doe, which results in fewer fawns ,fewer BB and lower harvests.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

If that is true, can you explain why less than 50% of the 1.5 bucks that were carried over in 2006,were harvested as 2.5 buck in 2007? If you want to claim those buck survived to become 3.5 buck why were only 10% of the bucks harvested in 2007 ,3.5 buck?

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

2.5 yr old buck 4-7 times harder to kill than 1.5., 3.5 and up, it starts going off the charts. older they get harder to kill legally. Isn't rocket science. I'll stick with the theory/fact that more buck allowed to live one season allows more THE CHANCE to survive to the next. Killing them now eliminates that chance.

Problem I see with your arguements, is you keep baiting and switching. You constantly move from numbers to quality. AR is about quality, and the NORTHERN TIER of Pa. has benefited, regardless of what you may think. I'm happy with the results so far in our neck of the woods, as is every single hunter I hang with. Then again, none of us are " if it's brown, it's down ".

Hows the old saying go about arguing with a fool...........??? Someone help me out here.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

That may be true, but non hunting mortality (winter kills & coyote kills)is almostalways fawns, so not shooting 1 1/2 year old bucks will not increaseadult (over 1 1/2 years) mortality much.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

We have been over the reason for the statewide decline time and again. The facts are obviously either to complicated for you to grasp or more likely they just don’t fit your twisted and misguided agenda.

Once this law suit is a thing of the past I suspect more of the data showing just how far off base you are can be made available. Since you and the rest of Uninformed Silly People tend to twist things so much the Agency has to be pretty careful about what gets posted until your law suit is resolved. Until that time we will just have to work from published reports available on the web site. But, you even misunderstand and misrepresent them very frequently, just as you are doing right now concerning adult buck non hunting mortality.

R.S. Bodenhorn

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

"We have been over the reason for the statewide decline time and again."

You've made unsubstantiated claims TIME AND AGAIN and little else. The results show declines as compared by pgc in the annual reports table. Unless you believe them to be complete idiots, the data was intended to be compared to previous years of it wouldnt have been presented in the manner in which it was.
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As for "more and bigger bucks as we'd been promised, its a big joke. Ive been regularly underwhelmed by the number of quality buck posted in the paper this year, and today is no exception.

Seems Pgc is making their usual excuses. Seems prior to the season we were gonna have a BIG-BUCK free for all if you'd believe pgcs prediction for the coming year. The ehd hit area was supposed to be fabulous, thee place to be because according to pgc not many shot deer there and ehd deaths were insignificant.(although those of us whod seen the rotting corpses and single digit deer density afterwards in many areas knew better)[:'(] And the entire state benefited because of tons of bucks saved by rain on the first day...

What Im seeing in the paper doesnt support those rediculous claims and the local wco has apparently taken notice because he is now making excuses as well.

Excerpt from the article by Rod Shoener: GREENE DEER HERD STILL ON THE REBOUND

Western Greene County Wildlife Conservation Officer Rod Burns said there were some trophy bucks roaming the county this year, but not as many as some hunters might have believed.

He blames that on a "terrible" mast crop. Deer that would normally feed in the woods were forced into open fields to find nourishment. Many of those deer were productsof anter restrictions and sported some really impressive racks...(Ha ha ha[8D])....BUT they were not just the tip of the iceberg as many might have believed. In some cases that was the bulk of the population for the entire area!


HA HA HA. The only reason some might have thought there'd be more is if they made the big mistake and listened to pgc ever since last season! (LOL)More and bigger bucks. What a joke! I loved the preseason headlines of hunter should have the best season for big bucks in 50 years etc. Has been high expectations and promises every year from pgc, yet the yield never comes. The scoring sessions were a joke. The bucks pictured in the papers usually dont even have as many big bucks as we did in the past, and the lies are more sickening to hear by the year.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

The only reason I hunt anymore is to try to match wits and outsmart a mature buck. I have no intrest tagging out the first day with a borderline legal buck. If they dump the AR next season , I will stilllet the1.5-2.5s pass. If I had a choice of tagging out on a spike or going one on one and getting out foxed by the big guy I will chose the latter.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions
 

Me too. I am all for more and bigger bucks. I dont shoot runts and only hunt with a bow. Unfortunately as ar was implemented with excessive reduction, that was absolutely impossible in most areas of the state.