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Pa Antler Restrictions
OK lets leave HR out of this for a moment and talk only about AR's
I'm putting in as many choices as I can think of to keep this fair. If you feel I missed a possible response, tell me and we'll put it in the answer list For those that hit this thing early, I apologize that all the choices did not appear the first time.:) |
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This should be fun to watch.....
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didnt like them at first but after a couple of years it started to grow on me
in my woods you can see the effects of them getting to grow a extra year like em keep em |
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Any suggestions for other choices or better wording to keep the poll fair guys???
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I voted for width AR. This would allow for older deer with less than AR points to be harvested.
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ORIGINAL: White-tail-deer I voted for width AR. This would allow for older deer with less than AR points to be harvested.  |
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I'm against the current setup because it doesn't allow you to take an inferior gened mature buck, actually I'm against the state regulating antlers all together.
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: White-tail-deer I voted for width AR. This would allow for older deer with less than AR points to be harvested.
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In 2002 we harvested 52K 2.5+ buck before any bucks were saved by ARs ,but after 6 years of ARs we harvested 48K 2.5 buck. prior to ARs hunter didn't lay off of little buck but we harvested more 2.5+ buck in 2002 than we did in 2007. so what is your point?
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i would think the ar spread would be hard what would you go by inches or outside of ears
people would complain that they cant judge the width heck most complain its to hard to count them now but i think it would get rid of some inferior buck;) |
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You're right about that.
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ORIGINAL: bowtruck i would think the ar spread would be hard what would you go by inches or outside of ears people would complain that they cant judge the width heck most complain its to hard to count them now but i think it would get rid of some inferior buck;) Again, no AR is perfect but a spread that gets outside the ears is generally 16" or so and would be workable. I'm not necessarily advocating the change tomorrow but it has been shown to work better and might be a goal to head for in the future. |
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Why would you want to set a new goal for the future when the current ARs produced lower breeding rates, lower productivity and lower harvests?
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You make a simpleton seem almost scholarly.[&:]
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim You make a simpleton seem almost scholarly.[&:] |
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I'm positive an atom smasher in yourhands is as safe as big buck in your back yard. :eek:
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Buck season is over dumkopf!
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Well, so far it looks like about 3 to 1 in favor of AR's in some form.
Whats really interesting is that almost half of AR supporters would like to see them go a step further. |
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I'd imagine a spread restriction would be easier to determine than a point count.
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 In 2002 we harvested 52K 2.5+ buck before any bucks were saved by ARs ,but after 6 years of ARs we harvested 48K 2.5 buck. prior to ARs hunter didn't lay off of little buck but we harvested more 2.5+ buck in 2002 than we did in 2007. so what is your point? Fewer hunters, much fewer hunters |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter Well, so far it looks like about 3 to 1 in favor of AR's in some form. Whats really interesting is that almost half of AR supporters would like to see them go a step further. |
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The lessened harvest wasnt due to lower hunter numbers. The success rate percentage also fell. From around 20% down to about 12. If less hunters harvested less buck proportionately, the number of bucks carried over should have risen and the success rate would have risen, not declined.
There are still more than enough hunters to kill the huge lion share of our legal bucks. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter Well, so far it looks like about 3 to 1 in favor of AR's in some form. Whats really interesting is that almost half of AR supporters would like to see them go a step further. only change i would like to see is it should be AR for all of us as too much illegal things are happening. |
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Sorry, But it is an undeniable fact that there are fewer hunters. What that results in is up for debate.
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This is what George Block had to say about the recent scoring session.
Overall numbers are down to less than half of what was scored in 2000 and average scores have dropped just shy of 10 inches. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 This is what George Block had to say about the recent scoring session. Overall numbers are down to less than half of what was scored in 2000 and average scores have dropped just shy of 10 inches. The fact is there is no evidence that average antler sizeshave changed atall within any age class. We merely have a higher percentage of 2.5 and older bucks making up the herd and the harvest. |
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The fact is there is no evidence that average antler sizes have changed at all within any age class. |
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Spread is a bad deal for seveal reasons. First and formost if a guy shot a buck that was under the determined "legal" limit he is likely to let it lay and continue to hunt. 2nd you could have a buck that scores in the 130" that has a relativly small spread. Keep the current AR's that are in place now cause they work and limit the DOE KILL
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There are less deer. We could throttle back on the doe tags some at this point in many WMUs, but ARs must stay.
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but ARs must stay. |
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The thing about this poll,Is how many people that voted was from PA? I am from NY and just voted on it to skew it up. You know PA people are not the only ones who are going to vote on it. Let everyone who voted on this poll post their name and what state they are from. Then you can see the accurate numbers much better. If I put up a poll about NY,I know everyone would be voting on it also. This is not about what other persons from otherstates thinks,But what people in the PA state thinks. So this poll is junk.
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Plenty of guys on here from other states that hunt PA. Are you saying they shouldnt be able to vote?
If you hunt PA thanks for your vote. If you don't, why would you bother voting just to "skew things up" ? |
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ORIGINAL: gunnermhr Spread is a bad deal for seveal reasons. First and formost if a guy shot a buck that was under the determined "legal" limit he is likely to let it lay and continue to hunt. 2nd you could have a buck that scores in the 130" that has a relativly small spread. Keep the current AR's that are in place now cause they work and limit the DOE KILL AR should be for all of us in wmu2g;) |
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A lot of guys who support Ars do so because they simply don't understand how much it reduces the buck harvest. In 2006 we harvested 75,762 ,1.5 buck and if ARs saved 50% then we carried over 75,762, 1.5 bucks. but in 2007 we only harvested 34,114, 2.5 buck which is only 45% of the bucks that were protected by ARs. How many of the 41,648 2.5 bucks that weren't harvested were lost to non-hunting mortality,weren't AR legal,were killed as antlerless or survived to be 3.5 buck.
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ORIGINAL: livbucks There are less deer. We could throttle back on the doe tags some at this point in many WMUs, but ARs must stay. so, you still have 7 without doe. ONE DEER AND YOUR DONE WOULD HELP SOME BUT STILL WOULD NOT IMPACT MUCH/ we need 3 day of doe only and no doe hunting rest of season., |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 A lot of guys who support Ars do so because they simply don't understand how much it reduces the buck harvest. In 2006 we harvested 75,762 ,1.5 buck and if ARs saved 50% then we carried over 75,762, 1.5 bucks. but in 2007 we only harvested 34,114, 2.5 buck which is only 45% of the bucks that were protected by ARs. How many of the 41,648 2.5 bucks that weren't harvested were lost to non-hunting mortality,weren't AR legal,were killed as antlerless or survived to be 3.5 buck. |
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So it is possible to save does for mature breeding stock, but it is not possible to save bucks past 1.5?
Funny way of saying you want to sit on a stump, see 35 does/fawns and shoot a spike, all before 9am opening day of rifle season. |
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Ya know Greg, I bet almost everyone on this MB could find a lot more common ground if not for the constant pot stirring and distortions from Blueboy. Even when threads seem to be heading toward a consensus..... Bam.... we get hit fromthe skyby some more Bluebird poop:(
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  This deer was taken on water authority land open to the public for hunting. I hunted this area as a kid and the guy who took it hunted the area for 49 years. All the guys who hunt this areasay this is by far the biggest buck taken outof there. I firmly believe antler restrictions along with responsible hunters allowed this deer to grow to the141-4/8 monster that he is. |
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