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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

"no one is going to go buy a crossbow just for poaching."

Sure they will. And they would bereally stupidnot to. Its the perfect poaching tool. Of course I dont see it much better if they also decide to use it in a legal manner for half the time.;)

"they would not be any easier to poach a deer with than a regular bow."

Far easier to shoot. Far easier to use from a vehicle. Far easier period.

"your not shooting a crossbow out of the window. you have to get out to have room to shoot it. "

Better check your tape measure and measure most full sized vehicle windows! That is simply a false statement.

Crossbows are a poachers dream tool.

There are many maleffect to crossgun implementation and VERY few bright spots.

Bad: Loss of tradition, probably eventual shortening of seasons, less buck and lower age of bucks due to added buck harvest, more doe harvest, most likely more poaching though exact extent is debatable, brings in more slobs, more crowded woods in a time cherished for the peace andsolitude, causing rift among hunters, more mature bucks going nocturnal, loss of legislative voice in matters due to majority being xgun hunters like occurred in ohio...etc. etc. etc.

Good?:Pgc doesnt get spanked by a few legislators who want them, and xgun companies hit the financialjackpot.

Good? [:'(]

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ORIGINAL: rem700man

Oh yeah and before ya say it,,,you can put me in the same boat as BH1 and make me stay here where the oppurtunities and deer are many,,,I like to be able to use whatever whenever,,even tho i have not had the opportunity to use a x-bow for deer,,,i bet it would tilt some off their center to know that i can use my ruger 10-22 to shoot squirells

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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

BH1 As I said before, why not simply stay where you are in Ohio with your crossbow? You have said you don't want to put in the time. Here's an idea, save some driving time too! The crossbow is the center of the issue here but PA doesn't needthe crossbow, you, or your attitude[:'(]

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ORIGINAL: Buck Hunter 1

I'm hunting in PA, don't worry about that one my friend. I spend a ton for deer licenses to fill the freezer and have ground there. Again, my and other more modern hunters will buy what we need, enhance the hunting opportunities to more than am elite few bow huntersm and get deer. It's funny how you say OH deer buck population is great.
If I had to choose either hunt only 2 days in Ohio or 2 weeks in Pa- my answer is an unequivocable I'll take 2 days in Ohio. I hunt both states, only because I live in Pa do I hunt Pa.You make absolutely no sense to me. You live in Ohio and caneasily travel to the other midwest states"land ofGiants" and youpay taxes on Pa land, Pa licenses and spend the time to travel here to hunt???? WHY?
Yea, I know crops etc. but look in eastern and SE OH and you will see habitat same as PA. Did you think maybe it's the way the program and people have run the deer program in the past, closed minded and using antiquated systems and ideas that might have done that?
You have it better in Ohio so again... Why waste your time and money in Pa???
An example isthe OTC license sales, states all around you have them installed and running for years, PA well that is it's own story.......
Completely agree, your system in Ohio isfar better than ours.
Maybe w/ progressive thinking and ideas that outsiders bring to the table PA can make a deer herd comeback, however w/ feelings and thoughts as expressed by a few here who seem to think the majority should be listening to them only, I beleive you will still be complaining,and maintaining your "the woods, it's mine, mine all mine" attitudes as your game hunting keeps going down hill. I will always hunt in PA, no matter where i live. But that does not mean I will not be lobbying w/ what resources I can to see and make change that I and others feel would be for the betterment of the game program.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/deer/pdf/antlerless_allocation_handouts.pdf
Here is where you are making an incorrect assumption. Pa's deer herd is not what Ohio's was when Xbows were implemented. Our herd is stable at best inmost of the wmu's according to the PAGC (19 of 22 wmu's). Only 2 wmus (1B,5D) show an abundance while the last wmu (3D)shows a below target population. So PLEASE explain how adding an additional weapon to the archery season is going to cause some "betterment of the game progam". We have reduced our herd far enough using the current methods and there is nomanagement advantage to add a weapon preferred by those with no work ethic in hunting or pride in what archery is supposed to be. Once again if you can pull the weight use a real bow, if you can't then you deserve the special considerations given to the disabled and handicapped. If the hunter is lazy I don't want him anywhere near me in the woods b/c I take pride in what I do andI work hard at it all year long. I enjoy having less idiots in the woods during the archery season spooking more deer than they will ever see. I know once Xbows are allowed the season as we know and love it will be over and just because others want to take the easy way out and as always we have to cater to the lazy. Ain't it Great!!

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ORIGINAL: rem700man

But then again,,,you have the few like "Ole Sproulman" who has somehow reincarnated himself to the likes of "Robin Hood" who shoots 5 shots into the same hole with his x-bow that will keep this kinda BS Rhetoric filling the hunting forums

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

"no one is going to go buy a crossbow just for poaching."

Sure they will. And they would bereally stupidnot to. Its the perfect poaching tool. Of course I dont see it much better if they also decide to use it in a legal manner for half the time.;)

"they would not be any easier to poach a deer with than a regular bow."

Far easier to shoot. Far easier to use from a vehicle. Far easier period.

"your not shooting a crossbow out of the window. you have to get out to have room to shoot it. "

Better check your tape measure and measure most full sized vehicle windows! That is simply a false statement.

Crossbows are a poachers dream tool.

There are many maleffect to crossgun implementation and VERY few bright spots.

Bad: Loss of tradition, probably eventual shortening of seasons, less buck and lower age of bucks due to added buck harvest, more doe harvest, most likely more poaching though exact extent is debatable, brings in more slobs, more crowded woods in a time cherished for the peace andsolitude, causing rift among hunters, more mature bucks going nocturnal, loss of legislative voice in matters due to majority being xgun hunters like occurred in ohio...etc. etc. etc.

Good?:Pgc doesnt get spanked by a few legislators who want them, and xgun companies hit the financialjackpot.

Good? [:'(]

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

petropedro, I pay over 1000 for my bow set ups and I dont even have to worry about being arrested because Im not a poacher. I have no doubt a poacher would do the same with so much to lose.

Why on earth wouldnt a poacher buy one if they could use them both legally in season AND out of season for poaching if they so chose?;) On the other hand, it wouldnt reallly pay for them to pay that much CURRENTLY when they arent even supposed to be in the woods with them.;)

As for your 22 "subsonic" theory I say BULLSQUAT!

I use many of the low velocity 22s for trapping and some of them wont even kill a danged trapped coon with the barrel inches from its head! Ive seen coon need be shot 4 times or more with the bullet not even penetrating the skull with rounds like minicaps etc. Let alone a large buck at 20 to 50 yards! And the rounds I use that do kill coon readily have the barrel a foot from its head and the skull is thinner by far than a deers.

Crossbows are the poacher dream tool. Im not some asnine poacher but If I were, I GUARANTEE i would have one. ITs the best tool for the job. Plenty effective unlike hit or miss kills with "subsonic 22 crap" and quieter than everything else that is easy and convenient to use.

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