WTH planet are you living on?

Alt was a also a great source of mis-information and he was paid by the PGC for blatantly lying to the hunters of PA and those lies are continuing to this day.

maybe its a good thingalt has been gone for awhile then
i think some would blame alt if they still had 100 deer on there 20 acre and didnt kill 10 of them

PA hunters reduced the pre-season herd by 600K deer in just in just 6 years. Can you point to any other state where hunters are as effective at controlling the herd as in PA?

I can only speak of what I experience. In my part of 2D I have not seen any noticeable herd reduction. I do some hunting in 2A and I see enough deer to make it worth my while. I do not know what it was before HR, but its ceratinly not hurting where I hunt.
While not hunting, I do go camping & hiking around various parts of the state, typically state forest or Nat'l forest. Some places I see no deer, but also see no good deer habitat. Some places I was actually shocked at the numbers of deer I saw because I heard things were so bad.
I still see FAR more deer and deer sign in PA than I do in Ohio.

do care about other states just ol pa
It just seems if some ppl dont see 100 deer and get to shoot 10 its alts fault
and i am not hr fan

These acorns weren't hollow doug.Simply no deer.

"Yeah,the conspiracy theorist for the USP is a great source for info.Then again,he is special."

Doesnt matter who says it Doug. A fact is a fact. You dont have to like the person conveying it.

Rybo says: 'I do some hunting in 2A and I see enough deer to make it worth my while. I do not know what it was before HR, but its ceratinly not hurting where I hunt. "

2A was reduced over 50% of the previous high ow herd. That is even though the human conflict was alway low and the habitat never rated as poor. Therefore we can only conclude it was some form of preventative measures? That being the case, and no real problems existing,it would have been understandable to have had slight reductions, of maybe 10%-20% or so,but there was no reason at all for the extremes. 2A, generally speaking still has more deer than many areas of Pa. That isnt saying much considering other areas, and also considering 2A has some of the best habitat type in the state and SHOULD have far more than most areas because of it. Nonmountainous, not the thin soils, climate, and has about 10X the edge habitat deer prefer, not vast expanses of mature timber. The goal for 3 years prior to this one was stabilization. Problem is, it only took 45,000 doe tags when Pgc had the supposed final year of herd reduction according to pgc annual reports(approx 7% that year), yeteven thoughthe the herd was smaller and the goal supposedly no longer reduction, but instead STABILIZATION, the allocation unexplicably went up by 10,000 tags!!! (LOL) And stayed there until last year!!!When it went up yet again, another 5k! (LOL)

When there was actual reduction we harvested 16,500 antlerlessaccording to pgc. OUr goal every year since has been 18,000 for some strange reason.

We also had all time high allocation last year, + ehd that wiped out many areas, with pgcs last conservative guestimation at around 3500 dead. What was pgcs response? Another extreme 55,000 allocation the same as we've had 3 out of the last 4 years![:'(]

The excessive reduction and continuing trend has far from spared 2A. Only places that may be the case in the state are the sras, where the plan cannot touch. Which also happens to be the best deer numbers and quality in the state.

"I still see FAR more deer and deer sign in PA than I do in Ohio."

You are the first person that I have seen on any of the Pa message boards that huntsboth states and make that claim. I see far more in 3 counties of Southeast Ohio when I hunt out there. And the quality? NO COMPARISON.

If the acorns were hollow and the deer didn't eat them ,then the deer weren't responsible for the fact that they didn't grow into oak seedlings. I think we need to bring back Alt and have him spearhead a worm reduction plan to save the oaks.

Tell him if'n he comes back, he don't have to fret. We'll even fit him up for another bullet proof vest.