Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
12-30-2008 | 02:40 PM
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
I have no doubt that you actually believe the "facts" you put forth but you haven't backed up hardly anything you've claimed on this forum.
Here is what one expert had to say about browse in a mature forest.
In mature woods, where ample woody browse doesn't exist, proper logging techniques can increase the amount of good deer food per acre. "Certainly, some type of timber-stand manipulation will stimulate understory browse production," notes Dr. Miller. "I'd suggest you contact a biologist from your state agency for the best techniques in your area. Perhaps even better, why not go out and experiment on your own?"
I've done that myself, and it can work. My favorite method is to employ a clear-cut/selective-cut hybrid in mature sections of woods.
The goal is to supplement the existing food sources, not replace one with another. Because of that, I'm always hesitant to remove mast trees unless they're in such abundance that they dominate the area.
In a typical scenario, removing all but mast-producing trees, desirable trees for seeding and selected ones for use as tree stands works well. To maintain diversity, I've found that areas of 5 to 10 acres are ideal. This approach creates pockets that allow for increased mast production and open the forest floor to sunlight. The increased sunlight spurs all sorts of new growth, ranging from grasses to berry vines to saplings. The result is a dramatic increase in forage production on a year-round basis.
I've done that myself, and it can work. My favorite method is to employ a clear-cut/selective-cut hybrid in mature sections of woods.
The goal is to supplement the existing food sources, not replace one with another. Because of that, I'm always hesitant to remove mast trees unless they're in such abundance that they dominate the area.
In a typical scenario, removing all but mast-producing trees, desirable trees for seeding and selected ones for use as tree stands works well. To maintain diversity, I've found that areas of 5 to 10 acres are ideal. This approach creates pockets that allow for increased mast production and open the forest floor to sunlight. The increased sunlight spurs all sorts of new growth, ranging from grasses to berry vines to saplings. The result is a dramatic increase in forage production on a year-round basis.
12-30-2008 | 03:10 PM
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According to this poll, 80% do not support the deer program as is.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
12-30-2008 | 03:17 PM
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Another interesting poll. This one from PA OUTDOOR NEWS. Seems people dont want to see pgc let off the hook. Question is do you want to see the lawsuit dropped against pgc?
The results of 433 votes has it: 83% say NO.
http://www.paoutdoornews.com/
The results of 433 votes has it: 83% say NO.
http://www.paoutdoornews.com/
12-30-2008 | 03:24 PM
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....and yet another on another website. Question was Is PGc doing a good job? 79.3% say NO!
http://www.paoutdoors.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=deeranddeerhunting&action=disp lay&thread=7401&page=1
http://www.paoutdoors.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=deeranddeerhunting&action=disp lay&thread=7401&page=1
12-30-2008 | 03:39 PM
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On outdoor times website; Do you want to see pgc commissioners terms reduced? 69.1% say YES!
http://www.outdoortimes.com/pollmentor/pollmentorres.asp?id=87
Im sure not seeing alot of confidence in the gameless commission or their deer plan.
http://www.outdoortimes.com/pollmentor/pollmentorres.asp?id=87
Im sure not seeing alot of confidence in the gameless commission or their deer plan.
12-30-2008 | 06:31 PM
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
According to this poll, 80% do not support the deer program as is.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
According to this poll, 80% do not support the deer program as is.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
Also, you include the choice that says "a little overdone" as non PGC supporters.Thats happens to be my choice.I would contend that those who made that choice want changes but stillshow general support.
What do you suppose would be the results if your poll was conducted on Huntingpa? I think we both know.
12-30-2008 | 06:39 PM
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
What do you suppose would be the results if your poll was conducted on Huntingpa? I think we both know.
12-30-2008 | 06:48 PM
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Sounds to me like a poor sport who doesnt like the facts. Influx of "kicked off guys"? I think not. Guys have been getting kicked off their for a few years now and I have been a member off and on for several over there, so your nonsense explanation holds no water.
Btw, I am a member at hpa. I dont post by speaking out against pgc there. I know better from past experience. Its not tolerated. In fact, one would think such a large Pa site would have had ONE poll out of the many listed in their survey thread "do you support herd reduction"... But alas...it exists on every single site EXCEPT hpa. WOnder why that is? Ha ha ha. That is not something I think theyd prefer to dwell on! Much better to dwell on "more and bigger bucks"!...that dont exist thanks to hr.(LOL)
Dont know why you would like to see results on a sight that is run basically by pgc, dcnr and ecoextreme types with harsh censorship over many others than have no censorship....Just as the real world is... But rest assured, some of their "die hards" post here and have cast their votes as well.
How many of those "pro" votes do you assume were the views of PGC employees?? DCNR employees etc. and not just plain ol "hunters"... Wonder ifgents likeRSB and RWJ have voted...Naaa. No way....Ha ha ha. Fact is, they are welcome to of course. But you also must remember they are not indicative at all of the views of HUNTERS in Pa. Given that fact the results are even MORE in detest of the pgc sham plan....
Sorry you dont like the results of several polls, or apparently the opinion of the general public.
Btw, I am a member at hpa. I dont post by speaking out against pgc there. I know better from past experience. Its not tolerated. In fact, one would think such a large Pa site would have had ONE poll out of the many listed in their survey thread "do you support herd reduction"... But alas...it exists on every single site EXCEPT hpa. WOnder why that is? Ha ha ha. That is not something I think theyd prefer to dwell on! Much better to dwell on "more and bigger bucks"!...that dont exist thanks to hr.(LOL)
Dont know why you would like to see results on a sight that is run basically by pgc, dcnr and ecoextreme types with harsh censorship over many others than have no censorship....Just as the real world is... But rest assured, some of their "die hards" post here and have cast their votes as well.
How many of those "pro" votes do you assume were the views of PGC employees?? DCNR employees etc. and not just plain ol "hunters"... Wonder ifgents likeRSB and RWJ have voted...Naaa. No way....Ha ha ha. Fact is, they are welcome to of course. But you also must remember they are not indicative at all of the views of HUNTERS in Pa. Given that fact the results are even MORE in detest of the pgc sham plan....Sorry you dont like the results of several polls, or apparently the opinion of the general public.
12-30-2008 | 06:58 PM
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Did a little sniffing around on Yahoo and found YET ANOTHER poll on YET ANOTHER site for your consideration! (LOL) How many does that make now???
Poll question says "HAS PA'S HERD REDUCTION GONE TOO FAR?"
78% SAY YES!!
http://www.grizzlygary.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=458
Poll question says "HAS PA'S HERD REDUCTION GONE TOO FAR?"
78% SAY YES!!
http://www.grizzlygary.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=458
12-30-2008 | 07:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Not exactly. First, you and many others here have said that you like it here because you've been banned from boards like huntingpa so the voting may be skewed by the recent influx of membersrejected by other boards. Some of those have aliases as a moderator recently pointed out on this thread. I suspect there may be some here who managed to vote more than once. Do I havr proof? No. Maybe we can ask Rob ifsome of those aliases he admonished voted twice
Also, you include the choice that says "a little overdone" as non PGC supporters.Thats happens to be my choice.I would contend that those who made that choice want changes but stillshow general support.
What do you suppose would be the results if your poll was conducted on Huntingpa? I think we both know.
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
According to this poll, 80% do not support the deer program as is.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
According to this poll, 80% do not support the deer program as is.
78% believe hr was overdone.
Only 20% support as is.
1 guy voted for less deer than pgc wants.
Where is this huge majority that supports pgc?? This is pretty much what I hear and see everywhere I go. Except even less support it.
Also, you include the choice that says "a little overdone" as non PGC supporters.Thats happens to be my choice.I would contend that those who made that choice want changes but stillshow general support.
What do you suppose would be the results if your poll was conducted on Huntingpa? I think we both know.