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RE: More Spin From RSB

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

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Not so. The damage done by the herd actually limited the herds recoupment due to the devestation of the understory. Look up the kaibob plateau to fully understand what a deer herd can do to decimate a habitat.

I am quite familiar with the Kaibob Plateau report and i fully agree that deer can devastate their habitat. But , unlike you, I am quite familiar with the history of our herd in the NC part of our state and it tells different story than the one you are selling. Over browsing began in the NC counties in the 20s and 30s, yet the herd increased to over 40 DPSM in the late 70's. Then, a severe ice storm reduced the herd , but by the late 80s the herd had rebounded to around 30DPSM and the PGC implemented bonus tags to control the herd. That does not happen when the habitat has been severly damaged and the herd is above the MSY carrying capacity.

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As far as dealing with theories, I would beg to differ. I have been studying whitetail ecology and habitat enhancement since long before you knew what it was. I have been studying this stuff for close to thirty years now.

It is highly presumptuous for you to make that claim when you have no idea who I am or what my background might be. The fact is I have been studying whitetail ecology and the relationship of deer to their habitat for over 50 years. I can cite chapter and verse of deer management in PA to a point that will make your head spin.

Are you familiar with the Brady Lake Browse Study, the 1984 " Clearcut Update" the 2006 DCNr ,"Browse Impact study" or the studies by David Declasta?

You're already making my head spin, and I think my stomach turn also. Why don't you just have civil conversation and knock off the cowboy keyboard act. I am here trying to learn more and I don't need your senile "I know more than you macho bull****".

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It was you that copped an attitude of I know more than you with your referenced to the Kaibob Platueau Report. But , in case you haven't noticed we aren't dealing with the same conditions that existed on the Kiabob Plateau. The PGC has been using antlerless harvest to manage the herd for over 50 years.

I am more than willing to have a civil conversation with anyone who knows how to have a civil conversation . As yet you have not demonstrated that ability. Would you like to start over and see if we can both learn from each other?

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Remnard said: "You're already making my head spin, and I think my stomach turn also. Why don't you just have civil conversation and knock off the cowboy keyboard act. I am here trying to learn more and I don't need your senile "I know more than you macho ****".

A few postsPreviously you said: "I have been studying whitetail ecology and habitat enhancement since long before you knew what it was. I have been studying this stuff for close to thirty years now"

Perhaps you should take your own advice.... Till then, Yippee Ki Yi get along little dogie! (LOL);)

Bb, I dont think Remnard is gonna learn anything from anyone. It seems he already knows it all.[8D]

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Bb, I dont think Remnard is gonna learn anything from anyone. It seems he already knows it all.

Remnard is a classic example of many PGC supporters. Like RSB they know the basic theories about deer management but have no idea how to apply them to the real world situation we have in PA. They believe the PGC propaganda that our herd was severely over populated and on the brink of disaster, when in fact it was quite healthy and below the MSY carrying capacity in most areas.

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Here is another prediction I made about the negative effects of HR and ARs. I predicted hunting pressure would drop like a rock in many areas because hunters would become disgusted with seeing so few deer and in my area that prediction has come true. I have never seen so few hunters on the first Sat. and there was very little shooting. I'd guess archery hunting was down by 20-30% and that rifle is down around 40-50%. If this continues the herd will increase significantly the next few years and the PGC will be back at square one.

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It will all balance out bluebird.The first light they get of the herd increasing they'll up the doe tags and or hand out dmaps like no tommorrow.

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That may be the case in some areas but it doesn't appear to be the case where I am hunting in 5C. We have loads of antlerless tags available but the hunters just aren't out there trying to fill them.

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

That may be the case in some areas but it doesn't appear to be the case where I am hunting in 5C. We have loads of antlerless tags available but the hunters just aren't out there trying to fill them.

Most guys hunt elsewhere in the regular season for doe since you can use your 5C tag all the way thru January.

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That may be your opinion , but it certainly isn't a fact . It wouldn't make much sense for someone to drive to a different WMU with less deer, just to harvest a doe. Because of the low deer numbers our group of six hunters haven't harvested a doe the past 2 seasons and as yet we haven't taken a doe this year ,although the group has had numerous opportunities.

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It will all balance out bluebird.The first light they get of the herd increasing they'll up the doe tags and or hand out dmaps like no tommorrow

It'll be like that habitat guru mod on the Pa site says. More "opportunity" Who the heck needs anymore time in Pa to kill a deer than we already have?