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RE: More Spin From RSB

Brilliant,absolutely brilliant. The guy was dragging the deer out and it was already tagged. He was caught by a fellow hunter with an illegal deer and was in no position to break off the antlers in an attempt to cover his illegal act.

RE: More Spin From RSB

Antler points were used as opposed to spreads because spreads were subjective at best. Who can tell decidedly in the field a 14 or 13 inch spread? Its easy to count points. A deer in the northeast with three points on one side is in all likelyhood a 2.5 year old deer. Of course there are exceptions, but as a rule, it works pretty well.

The other part of the equation was if the deer reached 2.5 years old, it had a much better chance of reaching 3 or 4 years of age before it was harvested. This in and of itself would increase the buck doe ratio as bucks tend to get smarter as they age and experience a couple of hunting seasons.

RE: More Spin From RSB

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

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At this point, IMHO, it would make sense to go to a spread restriction but even now, 6 years after AR, I encountered an out of state hunter proudly dragging a 2x2 out in 2F on opening day this year. The oh sh!t look on his face when I told him his buck was illegal shows that there are still hunters out there that have difficulty handling any AR let alone able to judge a spread measurement. (BTW, he seemed sincere when he agreed to turn in the mistake and pay his $25)

That hunters is in for an even bigger surprise if he did in fact turn it in because the fine would be at least $300 , because it was not an honest mistake. He didn't know the regs and shot an illegal buck. Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense and your ignorance of the law is inexcusable.

Another BB2 tactic of trying to change the point of a post. His curmudgeonry just wont let him read and comprehend any post made by someone he dislikes. The point to telling that story was to show that even after 6 years, some have difficulty understanding the rules and a spread restriction is more difficult to the average hunter than a point count.

That being said, a spread restriction IS far more likely to be beneficial where it is feasible. It just aint feasible statewide in PA yet.

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That ranks as one of most ignorant posts I have seen in a long time,except for the posts by B jim,BTB and livbucks.

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A deer in the northeast with three points on one side is in all likelyhood a 2.5 year old deer. Of course there are exceptions, but as a rule, it works pretty well.

The antlered buck survey showed that around 50% of the 1.5 buck had at least 3 pt. one side. Since there are at least twice as many 1.5 buck as 2.5+ buck that means there are a lot more 1.5 bucks with at least 3 pts. to one side than 2.5 buck.

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The other part of the equation was if the deer reached 2.5 years old, it had a much better chance of reaching 3 or 4 years of age before it was harvested. This in and of itself would increase the buck doe ratio as bucks tend to get smarter as they age and experience a couple of hunting seasons.

Wrong again. The antlered buck study showed that only 20% of the 2.5+ buck survived to become 3.5+ buck. That is the same survival rate as for 1.5 buck,prior to ARs.

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

That ranks as one of most ignorant posts I have seen in a long time,except for the posts by B jim,BTB and livbucks.

I think we found some thingdeaddeer likes.

RE: More Spin From RSB

I believe the point is that the average PA buck hunter has not evolved to a high enough level yet that any amount of scrutiny beyond counting points is possible.
I actually believe that we have too many hunters to attempt it any other way.
When hunter numbers decline more, it may be possible to go to a spread restriction.

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Exactly Greg!:D

I find it kind of interesting that BB2 can sit at his terminal all day plotting ways to crunch the numbers to his benefit but when he goes out in the woods and sits on his stump, he hates to have to count all the way to 3;)

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Only a fool would conclude that I sit at my computer all day when it only takes a few minutes to read and respond to the inane post of the selfish, greedy PGC supporters.