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ORIGINAL: DougE Mosquito creek has been having a hunt since 1991.Coyotes didn't just show up that year or the year before in huntable numbers.Where does one purchase so many coyotes?Do you have the name of a coyote farm where I can buy several hundred?How about just a couple? i was also member of that club from about 1978 to 1989. yes, i agree, thats when coyotes showed up in GREAT NUMBERS, in the 90S.;) in clinton/potter we noticed the coyotes ALL in about 2 years then,that is why we feel they were released.;) they were never here in clinton/potter in great numbers all in about those 2 years. i guess a question is, WHY FOR ALL THOSE YEARS GOING BACK TO WHEN DAD HUNTED ,LIKE 1925 TO 90S,THAT HE NEVER SAW TRACKS OR HEARD OF ANY OF CREWS THAT SAW COYOTE IN CLINTON/POTTER/CAMERON COUNTYS? why all od SUDDEN in those 2 years in 90s that we had coyotes out our a.:) |
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Doug, would be extremely stupid venture for one to "farm" coyotes when so many are to be had insome states with very high densities that create problems. Would also have far less investment via the live trapping route. I knowa couple oflive trappers in Georgia. They trap with modified foothold traps and transfer the yotes to running pens. They sell them to hound hunting outfits. I think if I remember correctly, they sell them from 80 - 100 dollars apiece aliveas opposed to having all the work preparing hides for the fur trade and only getting$25 for them there.
Im not saying they were stocked by pgc or anyone else. But if theyd did, Id like to thank them.:D Only huntin' I love as much as archery deer huntin' is coyote huntin'.;) |
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They thought it was a good idea with the coyotes. Oh wait that's just another conspiracy theory, right? Unless of course you have some proof to show otherwise. Hint - theories and sprouls opinions are not proof. Steve |
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy They thought it was a good idea with the coyotes. Oh wait that's just another conspiracy theory, right? Unless of course you have some proof to show otherwise. Hint - theories and sprouls opinions are not proof. Steve being we are out there for say years from 1920s on to 90s and did not see coyotes, then ALL OF SUDDEN,they were here,just does not feel right. i could see if we saw like,oh we saw tracks of one or 2 but the sighting and tracks exploded in those few short years in early 90s. |
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They didn't just show up in Clinton county in the 90's.They were in every county I hunted long before that.
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy They thought it was a good idea with the coyotes. Oh wait that's just another conspiracy theory, right? Unless of course you have some proof to show otherwise. Steve |
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There is no reason to prove a negative (something that never happened).
Most understand that - apparently not everyone. You assert something happened but cannot show a shred of proof - and yet expect to be taken credibly? That's funny:D Steve |
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There simply is no way the PGC could keep the stocking of coyotes a secret since too many people would be involved in such a project. There would be the people who provided the yotes who would have no reason to keep it a secret unless it was illegal. Then there are the truck drivers and PGC staff that would be involved in their release. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing in the history of the PGC where any of the staff recommended the use of natural predators to control the herd And, finally there is nothing in the harvest history that indicates predation by yotes had a significant impact on the herd in comparison to the effects of the antlerless harvests.
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Craaaaaaazy, crazy for for reading this poooooo.... i'm craaaaazy , crazy to believe youuuuuuuuu;)
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Sproulman I've been reading your posts on mountain lion threads for at least 2 years now. I have 2 very simple questions for you.
#1 Do you have a picture of a mountain lion in PA? No wishy washy BS answers. Plain and simple ... yes or no... do you have a picture you can share with us of a mountain lion in PA? #2 Can you understand how a lot of members on this website think you have no credibility without producing such proof? ** I lied I have a 3rd question ** #3 Could you shut the hell up about mountain lions in PA until you have one dead and laying at your feet so you can take 8,413 pictures of it and come back here to post them? |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter Sproulman I've been reading your posts on mountain lion threads for at least 2 years now. I have 2 very simple questions for you. #1 Do you have a picture of a mountain lion in PA? No wishy washy BS answers. Plain and simple ... yes or no... do you have a picture you can share with us of a mountain lion in PA? #2 Can you understand how a lot of members on this website think you have no credibility without producing such proof? ** I lied I have a 3rd question ** #3 Could you shut the hell up about mountain lions in PA until you have one dead and laying at your feet so you can take 8,413 pictures of it and come back here to post them? |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter Sproulman I've been reading your posts on mountain lion threads for at least 2 years now. I have 2 very simple questions for you. #1 Do you have a picture of a mountain lion in PA? No wishy washy BS answers. Plain and simple ... yes or no... do you have a picture you can share with us of a mountain lion in PA? #2 Can you understand how a lot of members on this website think you have no credibility without producing such proof? ** I lied I have a 3rd question ** #3 Could you shut the hell up about mountain lions in PA until you have one dead and laying at your feet so you can take 8,413 pictures of it and come back here to post them? if you go to EASTERNCOUGARNETWORK,they have pictures and prints also. yes, 1 is in clinton county. i am waiting for some pictures and will be giving them to TRACKINCATS ,if they ever come. |
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I was eating lunch today and I heard someone say "we should send them some pictures so they know that they are around here"....I think someone got a picture of a mountain lion on thier trail camera...
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter Sproulman I've been reading your posts on mountain lion threads for at least 2 years now. I have 2 very simple questions for you. #1 Do you have a picture of a mountain lion in PA? No wishy washy BS answers. Plain and simple ... yes or no... do you have a picture you can share with us of a mountain lion in PA? #2 Can you understand how a lot of members on this website think you have no credibility without producing such proof? ** I lied I have a 3rd question ** #3 Could you shut the hell up about mountain lions in PA until you have one dead and laying at your feet so you can take 8,413 pictures of it and come back here to post them? thats best i can do right now, i dont know what hold up is with the cougar picture from eastern cougar group. then i need someone to put it on here for me,any volunteers that want to help on that.:eek: |
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picture of cougar track will be here next week.I HOPE. thats best i can do right now i dont know what hold up is with the cougar picture from eastern cougar group th en i need someone to put it on here for me,any volunteers that want to help on that. ** until then......... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter picture of cougar track will be here next week.I HOPE. thats best i can do right now i dont know what hold up is with the cougar picture from eastern cougar group th en i need someone to put it on here for me,any volunteers that want to help on that. ** until then......... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh should have print picture by friday next week. |
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http://uploadpicz.com/zman/W273MXX.jpg
http://uploadpicz.com/zman/TXIHJ28.jpg Found in Schuylkill county Paa week before rifle season. Here's your pic of a track, now I guess you will say it isn't a mtn lion, or it is a staged pic or the pic was taken in Montana or something like that, Right? |
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That must have been one big cat to leave that deep of an impression in ground that had been compressed by a tire ,before the track was made.
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The tire tracks were from a Farming tractor the day before. Luckily we came across the track when we did. About 5 mins later the tractor drove across the field and up the road where the cat tracks were.They were harvesting the corn field on top of the hill where we had just hunted for pheasants.It is a big cat, no question. Once we get a good snow I am going back to do some more scouting, this time with my camera not just the cell phone. I am waiting for someone to claim this wasn't taken in Pa. Unfortunately there wasn't a street sign or indisputable geographic marker in the fieldor I would have tried to get that as well. I guess this was a "pet" that was owned and had gotten away from the owner without anyone in the area ever knowing of it's possession by owner. In this area everybody knows everybody and if a cat was owned anywhere near there people would know.
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ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn The tire tracks were from a Farming tractor the day before. Luckily we came across the track when we did. About 5 mins later the tractor drove across the field and up the road where the cat tracks were.They were harvesting the corn field on top of the hill where we had just hunted for pheasants.It is a big cat, no question. Once we get a good snow I am going back to do some more scouting, this time with my camera not just the cell phone. I am waiting for someone to claim this wasn't taken in Pa. Unfortunately there wasn't a street sign or indisputable geographic marker in the fieldor I would have tried to get that as well. I guess this was a "pet" that was owned and had gotten away from the owner without anyone in the area ever knowing of it's possession by owner. In this area everybody knows everybody and if a cat was owned anywhere near there people would know. his track could fit inside that one:eek: i want john lutz to have a look at that track for you.;) john is sending me a pic of cougar track taken in CLINTON COUNTY,PA.ny bowhunter will put it onhere for us. i should have it by friday next week. your track is one of best i have seen ,so far if a cougar track.:eek: |
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The tire tracks were from a Farming tractor the day before |
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It sure wasn't a car tire in the middle of a farm field on the other side of a creek 1/2 mile from any road a car can drive on. I am Positive it is from a tractor, look at the tread pattern- straight lines, look at the width, this is not a car tire track. Besides, I saw the tractor drive up the road after we crossed the creek. I will say this the day before we hunted that area the weather warmed up a bit and it waseven warmer the day we hunted there. So, you don't debate the track as being a big cat but now you want to debate what made the vehicle track? You love to disagree, huh? Next time I'll make sure I take a pic of the tractor and it's tires b/c I know nothing less will satisfy you.;)
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[quote]ORIGINAL: sproulman
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn my lab is around 80 pds. his track could fit inside that one:eek: i want john lutz to have a look at that track for you.;) john is sending me a pic of cougar track taken in CLINTON COUNTY,PA.ny bowhunter will put it onhere for us. i should have it by friday next week. your track is one of best i have seen ,so far |
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I am Positive it is from a tractor, look at the tread pattern- straight lines, look at the width, this is not a car tire track. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 I am Positive it is from a tractor, look at the tread pattern- straight lines, look at the width, this is not a car tire track. does anyone feel its not COUGAR track.  i am no expert on cougar tracks. i will have a cougar confirmed track this week for us. |
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Did anyone notice that apparently that cat didn't have any claws?
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Did anyone notice that apparently that cat didn't have any claws? I will say that track looks a bit too perfect however... |
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Anyone with any knowledge of any feline would know that their claws are retracted when not needed as in when they walk http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html |
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Cats keep claws hidden till needed. I have seen deer tracks make deeper inpressions over tire tracks also.
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After looking at the link from BB,all the 2 center toes in themdon't line up as in the pic that is posted on here they do. I would question that track now.
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I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I?
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up here in new york there are sightings all over
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up here in new york there are sightings all over Must be a foto, tracks, hair, scat, carcess, or some proof somewhere. Got any? Steve |
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Take your right hand and use your thumb and the next three fingers to imatate that track. Next in that position pick your hand up and look at the bottom of it. See the wrinkled skin and the joint of the thumb as it lays side ways? Now look at that print again.
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ORIGINAL: marlin30/30_drabe up here in new york there are sightings all over NOT ONE "sighting" has ever been proven here. EVER . These "cat people " are as NUTS as UFO people, crop circle people, chupacabra people, etc ad nauseum. sorry for the flip out these insane posts are just too much! THERE ARE NO WILD COUGARPUMABLACKPANTHERMOUNTAINLIONS in New York! prove me wrong!:D;):(:eek:[:'(] |
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ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I? I did not mean to imply in any way that you placed that track there! I merely made an observation that it looked to be too perfect. I still say that. I had no idea of the circumstances surrounding that track. Who photgraphed it? Did you see it in person? Was the PGC or some other organization or experts called in todocument it? |
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ORIGINAL: moose1915 ORIGINAL: marlin30/30_drabe up here in new york there are sightings all over NOT ONE "sighting" has ever been proven here. EVER . These "cat people " are as NUTS as UFO people, crop circle people, chupacabra people, etc ad nauseum. sorry for the flip out these insane posts are just too much! THERE ARE NO WILD COUGARPUMABLACKPANTHERMOUNTAINLIONS in New York! prove me wrong!:D;):(:eek:[:'(] |
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Ok, i'll play.
My cousins Uncles sister saw a Black Wildebeest on her deck in auburn NY. A WILD one! we heard the DEC stocked them to control the poison ivy here in NY . Its TRUE because a former DEC Biologist told my nieces brothers great auntie. I mean, this is a RIDICULOUS statement. BUT, that's how all the "cat people " sound to the rest of the rational people. Black wildebeest exist, i saw them on discovery 2 nights ago!:D |
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:eek:
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Anyone withany knowledge of any feline would know that their claws are retracted when not needed as in when they walk http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html if this is not a cougar track, what hell is it:) |
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btb, he took it with his camera and put the shell next to it.
too bad he did not get ahold of PGC to come and take a look, if they would come out. |
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