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BTBowhunter 10-01-2008 05:22 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


Obama appeals to the lower IQ crowd with the tax only the rich chant while Bluebird appeals to the lower IQ crowd by chanting over and over that the habitata can support more deer
Do you mean the lower IQ crowd like Alsheimer who manages his 200 acres at a density so high he can harvest 8-10 doe /year?
According to you, Dr Kroll is stupid, Charlie Alsheimer is stupid, Dr Samuel is stupid, Dr Alt is stupid along with the vast majority of their peers. I can't help but wonder why someone as "intelligent" as you hasn't been snapped up by some game management agency?

bluebird2 10-01-2008 05:26 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

I'll try again once. Now read this R E A L slow.... 2.5 bucks are bigger on average than 1.5 bucks... still with me? Go back and read it again and repeat the process till you understand part 1. Now lets try a little more for today... ready? If more of the bucks we harvest are 2.5+, our average buck size will be B I G G E R. I know it's a lot for one day but sleep on it and read it again tomorrow. If you still don't understand after that, you will have officially passed the USP life member IQ test.

You are reading things that aren't there. Alt said nothing about the size of the average buck harvested. Furthermore, since we had 2.5 bucks before ARs, the only way hunters would see bigger buck than ever before is if the 2.5+ buck with ARs were bigger than the 2.5 +buck before ARs. Like so many PGC supporters you see and read what you want to see ,not what is really there.

bluebird2 10-01-2008 05:33 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

According to you, Dr Kroll is stupid, Charlie Alsheimer is stupid, Dr Samuel is stupid, Dr Alt is stupid along with the vast majority of their peers. I can't help but wonder why someone as "intelligent" as you hasn't been snapped up by some game management agency?
I never said they were stupid. It is just that they are all promoting their own agenda and have their own personal biases.

BTBowhunter 10-01-2008 05:35 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


I'll try again once. Now read this R E A L slow.... 2.5 bucks are bigger on average than 1.5 bucks... still with me? Go back and read it again and repeat the process till you understand part 1. Now lets try a little more for today... ready? If more of the bucks we harvest are 2.5+, our average buck size will be B I G G E R. I know it's a lot for one day but sleep on it and read it again tomorrow. If you still don't understand after that, you willhave officially passed the USP life member IQ test.

You are reading things that aren't there. Alt said nothing about the size of the average buck harvested. Furthermore, since we had 2.5 bucks before ARs, the only way hunters would see bigger buck than ever before is if the 2.5+ buck with ARs were bigger than the 2.5 +buck before ARs. Like so many PGC supporters you see and read what you want to see ,not what is really there.
read what you just wrote again. It makes absolutely no sense.

BTW, you have passed the USP life member IQ exam.Your perfect score of zero autmatically makes you elgible to run for an officers position.

Cornelius08 10-01-2008 05:40 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 
Alt doesnt belong on that list. To include him is a gross misrepresentation. Those other gentlemen are extremely noted and knowledgable whitetail deer researchers. Alt actually owned up to his huge lack of knowledge on the topic of deer management more than once. He was a BEAR biologist, and a mouthpiece/hypnotist for pgc. Nothing more when it came to the deer program, and certainly not to be confused with the same "class" as those who'd studied deer for many decades.

I also like how he stated that when he was shown the state of the forest it drove him to his knees! (LOL) Always get a good snicker when Im reminded of that one. He he he.:D

bluebird2 10-01-2008 05:46 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 
I'll shorten the quote for you so you won't get so confused.

This should increase the number of
bucks living at least one more year and,
in the long term, hunters
will likely see more
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Notice at the end of the quote it says "hunters will likely SEE"

Seeing deer is a lot different than harvesting deer.


Screamin Steel 10-01-2008 07:54 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Alt doesnt belong on that list. To include him is a gross misrepresentation. Those other gentlemen are extremely noted and knowledgable whitetail deer researchers. Alt actually owned up to his huge lack of knowledge on the topic of deer management more than once. He was a BEAR biologist, and a mouthpiece/hypnotist for pgc. Nothing more when it came to the deer program, and certainly not to be confused with the same "class" as those who'd studied deer for many decades.

I also like how he stated that when he was shown the state of the forest it drove him to his knees! (LOL) Always get a good snicker when Im reminded of that one. He he he.:D
Imagine that. The state bear biologist forabout a decade, lifelong resident, and he just saw the forest for the first time?

BTBowhunter 10-01-2008 08:00 PM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

Alt doesnt belong on that list. To include him is a gross misrepresentation. Those other gentlemen are extremely noted and knowledgable whitetail deer researchers.
Not according to your hero Bluebird. He claims to know more than all of them.

bluebird2 10-02-2008 05:38 AM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 


ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


Alt doesnt belong on that list. To include him is a gross misrepresentation. Those other gentlemen are extremely noted and knowledgable whitetail deer researchers.
Not according to your hero Bluebird. He claims to know more than all of them.
Please provide the post where I made that claim. All I have done is to point out that one shouldn't take everything written by the experts as the truth. Alt out right lied,Kroll was mistaken about ARs in Miss. and Alsheimer didn't question Alt's lies and simply repeated them giving them more credence.

I never claimed to more than all of those experts, but I know enough to know when they aren't telling the truth.

Even you questioned Alsheimer claim about harvesting 8-10 doe/200acres,so do you know claim to know more that Alshiemer?

BTBowhunter 10-02-2008 09:57 AM

RE: Witch Doctors Should Hunters Believe
 

Please provide the post where I made that claim. All I have done is to point out that one shouldn't take everything written by the experts as the truth. Alt out right lied,Kroll was mistaken about ARs in Miss. and Alsheimer didn't question Alt's lies and simply repeated them giving them more credence.

I never claimed to more than all of those experts, but I know enough to know when they aren't telling the truth.

You claimed that Dr Kroll doesnt understand the concept of high grading

You Claimed that Alsheimers quote about one little slice of property constituted a QDM practice

And yes, you've called them all liars and of course you've claimed to understand better than them what's right for PA

All that together makes what I said before valid. You think or at least you pretend that you know more than they do.

The "witch doctors" title of this thread alone says it all about your arrogance when it come to the research and findings of the professionals.


Even you questioned Alsheimer claim about harvesting 8-10 doe/200acres,so do you know claim to know more that Alshiemer?
I did no such thing. The only thing I pointed out was that you lumped Charles Alsheiner in with your criticism of the "witch doctors" and I pointed out that he is an editor and writer. A knowledgeable one at that but he's no doctor of wildife biology


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