PA harvest #'s?????????
04-07-2008 | 03:33 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
ORIGINAL: DougE
You have no proof to back that up.
You have no proof to back that up.
If you are saying the habitat on SGLs in 2G is so poor that it can only support 12 PS DPSM, then you are condemning the very agency you are defending, since even pole timber can support 12 PS DPSM. Are you really saying SGLs are so poorly managed?
04-07-2008 | 07:21 PM
#125
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
Oh by the way Doug, if I'm not mistaken (and I don't think I am), the executive director said theyare going to use some new metrics/methods (don'tremember the exact terminology)to determine theoptimum population suited for 2G. Isn't that saying what they are currently using is wrong?
04-07-2008 | 09:21 PM
#126
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
While there are 2 sides to this debate, I think that there is an underlying reason why this problem even exists. Doug and I have discussed the deer herd in our area quite often. And while UNDER THE PRESENT CONDITIONS I agree the habitat cannot sustain more than 10-12 DPSM , I also think we can have more deer.
My question for anyone who can answer is...Why is the DCNR and the PGC not logging sections of public land?
The land is not being managed properly IMO.
Logging is REVENUE. To the DCNR and to the almost broke PGC. The number of logging outfits around here is in the 100's. They would pay to get the timber the same as they would pay an individual to cut timber off thier property.
I really think this is a NO BRAINER. Improve the habitat.The herd and the health of the herd and other wildlife will increase. It just won't happen on it's own. We need to help it. This is a basic fundamental of land management for wildlife.
Open up the forrest floor to new growth. It's a win-win.
My question for anyone who can answer is...Why is the DCNR and the PGC not logging sections of public land?
The land is not being managed properly IMO.
Logging is REVENUE. To the DCNR and to the almost broke PGC. The number of logging outfits around here is in the 100's. They would pay to get the timber the same as they would pay an individual to cut timber off thier property.
I really think this is a NO BRAINER. Improve the habitat.The herd and the health of the herd and other wildlife will increase. It just won't happen on it's own. We need to help it. This is a basic fundamental of land management for wildlife.
Open up the forrest floor to new growth. It's a win-win.
04-08-2008 | 05:51 AM
#127
Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
The PGC and DCNR are logging public land ,but they are doing it at a rate of only 1%/yr. Also. DCNR is only managing around hal of their land for timber production, so they are actually harvesting only 0.5% of their land. Also. a lot of PGC land is off limits to timbering such as swamps, areas adjacent to streams or timber on steep slopes.
The habitat in WMU 2G can support at least twice as many deer as it has today ,just as it did in 2003 when hunters harvested almost twice as many buck as were harvested in 2005 and 2007. In the 90's Elk Co. had 3 times as many preseason deer as it has today.
The habitat in WMU 2G can support at least twice as many deer as it has today ,just as it did in 2003 when hunters harvested almost twice as many buck as were harvested in 2005 and 2007. In the 90's Elk Co. had 3 times as many preseason deer as it has today.
04-08-2008 | 06:13 AM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
ORIGINAL: archer58
While there are 2 sides to this debate, I think that there is an underlying reason why this problem even exists. Doug and I have discussed the deer herd in our area quite often. And while UNDER THE PRESENT CONDITIONS I agree the habitat cannot sustain more than 10-12 DPSM , I also think we can have more deer.
My question for anyone who can answer is...Why is the DCNR and the PGC not logging sections of public land?
The land is not being managed properly IMO.
Logging is REVENUE. To the DCNR and to the almost broke PGC. The number of logging outfits around here is in the 100's. They would pay to get the timber the same as they would pay an individual to cut timber off thier property.
I really think this is a NO BRAINER. Improve the habitat.The herd and the health of the herd and other wildlife will increase. It just won't happen on it's own. We need to help it. This is a basic fundamental of land management for wildlife.
Open up the forrest floor to new growth. It's a win-win.
While there are 2 sides to this debate, I think that there is an underlying reason why this problem even exists. Doug and I have discussed the deer herd in our area quite often. And while UNDER THE PRESENT CONDITIONS I agree the habitat cannot sustain more than 10-12 DPSM , I also think we can have more deer.
My question for anyone who can answer is...Why is the DCNR and the PGC not logging sections of public land?
The land is not being managed properly IMO.
Logging is REVENUE. To the DCNR and to the almost broke PGC. The number of logging outfits around here is in the 100's. They would pay to get the timber the same as they would pay an individual to cut timber off thier property.
I really think this is a NO BRAINER. Improve the habitat.The herd and the health of the herd and other wildlife will increase. It just won't happen on it's own. We need to help it. This is a basic fundamental of land management for wildlife.
Open up the forrest floor to new growth. It's a win-win.
Cutting 50 acres in a ten thousand acre block of woods and being surprised that the deer eat the new growth is laughable. Cut two thousand acres and see what happens.
For some of you that refuse to see,let me help you just a bit. I own 150 acres every year I plant a 1/4 acre garden,guess what the rabbits ,ground hogs & deer eat my new plants ,does that mean that the other 149 3/4 acres is bad habitat? [:-]
Management plan my butt, its destruction plain and simple .[
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04-08-2008 | 06:54 AM
#130
Nontypical Buck
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
bluebird,there isn't a SGL anywhere around here that has a deer density even close to 12 dpsm.Last week I took a short ride through SGL 77 and saw close to 60 deer.The habitat on our state game lands is managed much better thanmost private land and the deer densities are no where near 12 dpsm.
Archer,each game lands has a specific management plan and they are timbering.They just can't cut more than 1%a year.We have a very even agaed stand of timber in this part of the state and that's one of the reason we have a habitat problem.If they go in and wack down too much timber,we'll be faced with even worse habitat in about 15 years.Look at Parker dam.That area was a mecca for wildlife after the tornado of 1985.Unfortunately,it's now pole timber and thousands of acres that were once thriving habitat are now useless to wildlife.I think you'd agree that the dd in that area reflects what I'm saying.
Archer,each game lands has a specific management plan and they are timbering.They just can't cut more than 1%a year.We have a very even agaed stand of timber in this part of the state and that's one of the reason we have a habitat problem.If they go in and wack down too much timber,we'll be faced with even worse habitat in about 15 years.Look at Parker dam.That area was a mecca for wildlife after the tornado of 1985.Unfortunately,it's now pole timber and thousands of acres that were once thriving habitat are now useless to wildlife.I think you'd agree that the dd in that area reflects what I'm saying.