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Not another blind hunter[:@] You guys have got to get out there and look around..
Some areas have plenty of deer and others NOT So how can you say what it is
like all over the state when in reality,you have NO idea...Maybe only what your reading..

The game commission is taking your word for all this crap.cause they are too lazy
to get off thier on a--....How far back into the woods do you think they are going to walk.

Not far,I know that....If I wanted to get an illegal deer,it would be pretty easy....But
then again why kill the last deer in the woods..Maybe a stocking system is in order:D

Ive hunted Penns woods for a good many years and I know darn well what I aint
seeing and thats large numbers of deer...johnny

PS--How many deer(fawns) will coyots eat in a year????

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Johnny,I hunt in several different counties and WMU's each year.I also try to hit at least 3 different habitat tours each year that are held accross the state.I've seen quite a few places with few deer but no places that had good habitat and few deer.To me it's easy to look at an areas and totaly dismiss it as a place I want to hunt.It always boggles my mind when people say they scout,find no deer and hunt there anyway.Why would anyone hunt where there's no deer?It also amazes me when I see piles of trucks parked in areas where you can see for hundreds of yards through barren woods.I live and hunt in the WMU that has the lowest deer densities of any place in the state.There's vast areas with very few deer but the deer have very few reasons to be there.I hunt where the should be and not where I want them to be.As a result,I see and harvest plenty of deer each season.

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Johnny,we have far less coyotes than themidwestern states and they don't eat all their deer.It's actually been proven and documeneted that coyotes have far less of an impact on fawns in areas with better habitat.Habitat is the key Johnny.

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That explains it very clearly now:eek:

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Doug
why try with these guys? They are hopeless.

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I was hopeless at one time myself.:D

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Many people were, but if someone doesn’t get it by now, I just don’t think there’s much more you can do. But good luck, fighting the good fight.

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yes sometimes I think you guys are hopeless hunter but I'll keep trying.
Doug,we always seem to hit a wall somewhere between habitat and overharvesting.Trust me as I said many times on here not all areas have low numbers because of habitat.Some places just have too much hunting pressure with easy access which keeps the populations down to very low numbers.
As for deer coming out to the road on 322,sometime when the acorns are thick spotlight in the field on greenwood road.You'll see alot of deer in there and alot just laying down.Not much in that old field to eat yet they come out to the clearing.Never during the day only at night.I see deer in people's yards just standing or sitting when the acorns are heavy back in the woods.I know a place where they stop and snack on fresh apples on their way out to a clearing which has nothing to eat.I often wondered why they come into openings at night but it's definately not always to eat.Many of times I saw deer standing or laying on 322 with fresh acorns on the ground back in the woods.They'll take white oak acorns over dryed up grasses anyday.

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bawanajim,I took the liberty to look up past harvests for Crawford county.You decide if the hunting is worse there now than ever before.
1970-730 antlered,697 antlered
1980-1106 antlered,842 antlerless
note:these two years were actual reported harvest not calculated.
1990-4364 antlered,6311 antlerless
1995-3849 antlered,5565 antlerless
1999-4864 antlered,4998 antlerless
2003-4110 antlered,9440 antlerless
2005-I don'thave the county data but heres the breakdown between wmu's 1a and 1b.
1A-51000 antlered,15600 antlerless 1B-5400 antlered,12000 antlerless.

It looks to me like they're still killing a pile of bucks in Crawford county.Much more in fact than they did in the 70's and 80's.