RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

Where do I start,

First off, I know that Loleta is in Millstone Creek. I had to DRIVE through Clear Creek from my home to go to Loleta. The guy that illegally shot the doe there was from Ridgeway -hework's at the Royal Motel at the top of Boot Jack hill!

That's a long way from Ridgeway to Clear creek where we were at.

Second off, O'Donnel Bridge is not in SGL 31, it is in the Renoldsville Game lands. 44 or 54 or something like that. I know because I hunted there many times.

Third off - you need to have someone read you your hunting digest,

WMUs 1 A, IB, 2A, 2B & 2D: Four or more points to one antler. All other WMUs: Three or more points to one antler. Exceptions: In all WMUs, junior license holders, disabled persons permit (to use a vehicle) holders and residents serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces, or in the U.S. Coast Guard, two or more points to one antler, or with one antler three inches or more in length. Senior License holders must abide by antler restrictions.
A Legal Point: An antler projection of at least one inch in length from base to tip, including brow tines. Main beam shall be counted as a point regardless of length.
Antlerless Deer: A deer without antlers, or a deer with antlers both of which are less than three inches in length.
Protected Deer: A deer not defined as an antlered deer or an antlerless deer.
Limit: One legal antlered deer per license year. One antlerless deer with each valid WMU specific antlerless license.
Field Possession Limit: When multiple harvests of deer per day are autho­rized, only one deer at a time may be taken. Before attempting to take an additional deer, the first deer shall be lawfully tagged.

Fourth off - we had the doe tags, there was nothing that said that we had to fill them. Like I said, I hunted all 12 days and most days I hunted from sun up to sun down.

The people in 2D will shoot anything brown, if you don't shoot it, the next guy down the trail will!

It's not an organized system like other areas where people say that they refuse to shoot does.

My fifth point being -
I know the game warden - Mike Girosky, I know where he lives, Elenora, I been to his house, he has been to my house. Mike is a dick, but he treats everybody the same. I also know his head deputy, Dick Rankin, he works at Jefferson Grocery. He is even worse than Mike! Which makes him a good deputy game warden!

The fact of the matter is - where were they? They were not patroling like other years. It's not my job to turn in poachers, I shouldn't have to stick out my neck - only to get it cut off for doing something wrong myself.


The fact of the matter is that I don't like these road hunters that drives around looking for an opportunity to shoot out the window at a easy one.

I don't like all these roads opened up so any Tom Dick or Harry can drive right into where I like to hunt. I don't believe that doe season should be more than 2 days long. I don't believe that people are going to hunt and not take a doe when they have not seen anything legal or did see deer and couldn't put 4 points on them.

Everytime someone breaks the rules, more posted signs goes up. Then the people that hunted there has to look for someplace else to hunt. That moves them on to other properities and eventually on to where I like to hunt.

20 deer becomes 10 deer and 10 deer becomes 5 deer and 5 deer becomes 3 deer and 3 deer becomes one deer and one deer becomes no deer.

I turned in a group of hunters last year that were CAMPING in the parking lot that I was just talking about. SGL 31, It is illegal to camp in the Game Lands. The Game Warden couldn't get them to leave, but he did ask them to go down the road for a while. I believe that their statement to him was that they were not camping, they were just waiting for Monday for the season to open up.

There is no rules as to when you can go in the game lands to hunt for deer.
They had a camper and a boxtruck and sleeping bags and a cook out fireright there in the parking lot. Gas and charcoal grills and the works!

Half of them was from Ohio and the other half was from Latrobe!

5 deer in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of deer. Especially when you consider that I put 80 miles a day just to get to and come home from where I was hunting. I have a dozen places where I am welcome to hunt anytime I want and I never take more than one deer from any one spot.

What is one deer? The cars on the road will just hit it if I didn't shoot it anyways.

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

You need to read what you posted in bold letters.SENIORS MUST ABIDE BY ANTLER RESTRICTIONS.Your opinion of Mike is obviously different than mine.I know him well and he's a dedicated WCO.I'm also good friends with one of his deputies that just retired within the last two years.These guys do a thanklessjob and have to cover hundreds of miles.They can't be everywhere at once,so tips from the public make a big differance.

I'm not sure what the game lands # isby O'donnel bridge but my friends do well there.I do spend time occassionally on SGL 44 and 54.I get them confused but they run into each other.One's in Elk county and the other one is by the old game school.Plenty of deer in both of those areas.

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

Rifleman you really double talk alot.

You complain of no deer but your party shoots 5.(4 does)Shooting a deer because the guy down the trail would anyways is the dumbest excuse ever to shoot a deer. But I forget, YOUR 5 deer are nothing in the grand scheme, its everybody elses that are the ones hurting the population.

I'm a bit confused by this statement

Ever here of SPORT. Sportsmen Policing Our Ranks Together. WCO's can't be everywhere, that's why we rely on people turning in others who are breaking the law. Also what do you mean by getting your neck cut off for doing something wrong yourself?


I think for all the complaining you do, about all you have to do is look in the mirror to see the source of your troubles.

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

[blockquote]Gary Alt is a wind bag--That big rack didn't come from PA anyway...He has ruined the
whole deer thing...The deer are really spotty in the North East section...

Alt should have stayed with the bears...We hunted in 3B for 3 days and never seen
a stinking thing..Maybe a song bird or two...Who cares about the big racks...
You can't eat the horns..give me a break..If your after the meat then even a
spike is the way to go..The scrubs aint gonna amount to anything anyway...
I think alot of the problems with no deer in some areas is the lack of good food.
Where I was raised we had 6 farms there and plenty of deer..I mean it was
nothing to see 40 or 50 in a herd..Now there is one farm operating and if
you see 3 or 4 deer your lucky..I heard the Game commision say it was the
coyots distroying the herd..Stop it....We should go back to the 3 day or maybe
a 2 day doe season..Maybe a 5 day buck season and allow sunday hunting for
the guys that can't get out the first day.....Nough said......John do little

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RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

1.So where did the rack come from.Lot's have been killed since that are even bigger.
2.Scrubs won't amount to anything.Lot's of research out there that will dispute that.
3.Pgc never stated the coyotes destroyed the deer herd.Read the studies.
4.Lack of food.Bingo you nailed it.Why add more deer to overbrowsed habitat?

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

There's overharvested areas with good habitat that could hold more deer.6 dpsm in decent to good habitat is a bit low.Not every place in the state is like Rockton mountain Doug.

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

No doubt that's true Rich,especially around more populated areasbut that isn't the case with any place I've ever seen around here.Where the habitat is junk,you'll find very few deer.Where it's better,you'll find more.I've yet to see a spot in 2G where this isn't the case.I hunted a buddies property this year in Susquehanna county.He thought is was great habitat becausethere's some agriculture around.I thought it was as bad as some of the worst places around here.

6 dpsm is very low for good habitat.Where can I find deer densities that low that have good habitat?

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

Look on the flir Doug.The average might end up at 14-15 dpsm for the overall flyover area but many places are well below that reaching the 6 dpsm and in some cases lower.I gave you directions to the one place.Other then the southeastern corner against the posted land it's pretty dire.Most places like this with few deer and decent to good habitat have something in common,easy access.
The SGL's down here are a whole different ballgame.The undergrowth is so thick it's hard to find a twenty yard opening in alot of places.Plenty of greenbriar in there.But very,very,few deer.It gets hammered in rifle.And I do mean hammered.Aint my cup of tea so I don't hunt there but hike and ride bike through the trails.PGC even has some nice foodplots.I checked their cornfields in late fall and found one set of tracks.This area needs a different management approach.

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

I heard from a deputy that the rack was from Ohio and Gary was
using it to get a point across...I know there are some nice bucks
out there or at least there was before the season opened...The
game commission is like any other gov. agency and damn batch
of liars..They tell you what they are told to report..Nothing different.
And they did mention at one of our gun club dinners that the coyots
all killing the young or crippled deer...They should offer some of these
out of work farmers the oppertunity to plant some groups for the herd..

I hear a lot of guys saying they aint gonna hunt any more or for
at least a year or so..I know guys that get a doe permit and throw
it in the trash to get others from getting one of them...But I aint gonna argue
about it with anyone..I know what I see and hear and it aint no
damn good at all.....Nough said Do-little

RE: A friendly deer camp debate...about PA regs
 

We really need to be done bashing and start using our heads, its plenty clear the PGC is not gong to change the course, if you feel we need three days of doe season than limit the last three days to nothing but does and don't let it cross your mind to whack that buck ,be it big or small.

And really tell me how killing the very deer we are short of saves them from our highways.[:@]

Good god leave them to their own fate,you might be surprised that a few even survive to reproduce.:D