Want to hear something that will really make you sick. Neighbor kid wacked a beatuy of a 10 point. All signs in the snow indicated a gut shot. it ran acroos the field into the other neghibors swamp. we watched thru binos and the buck fell over and kicked his last. The property is posted by this anti. We ( his dad, me and the kid ) drove over to the owner's house and asked for permission to retrieve the buck. He said no way! If he sees us in there he'll call the cops. Now that is a waste.

re. Barking treed's post...
It is very much a waste. There should be some kind of law that allows you to at least retrieve your deer. Yesterday in Allegheny Co. my brother hit a 6 point buck. We tracked the deer onto private property then across the road and into more private property. There was substantial blood the whole way. As we attempted to go find it we were chased out even after explaining what happened. In this instance I think you should be allowed to go in, perhaps without weapons, and bring it out. What a waste! At least if it was summer the people could enjoy the aroma of rotting deer flesh drifting in thru their screened windows.

Ive never run across those problems up here, most people are pretty neighborly,I guess there not over run with scumbag hunters,even the anti, will let you drag a deer out.Ive hunted up here since sept this year and only ran into another hunter twice, besides the local drive guys thats it That group does only one push the first day of gun then there out of here.Ive hunted penns woods and its like squirle hunting I can honestly say you learn to be a hunter up here If you want a deer My stands have been out all year some for two years not a problem you have time to scout and plan and not worry about some hunter sitting 30yards from you opening morn, I could go on. My first deer at age 16 was taken by a scum bag It ran 200yards I never got to tag it It was shot by 3 other hunters near pottsville pa.

these people are not hunters and should not be grouped with us ,we need to turn these people in .if we police ourselves it will make a diff,

Well Buck,M, You have just entered the world of reality,I found 4 three buttons,and a 4 inch spike on my place of 400 acers, As we few try to manage our deer herds,There are hundereds out there that just don't give a hoot.If it doesn't drop in front of them then owell another will be along, I have never left a peace of meat in the woods in my intire life an will only hunt with a few selected people,
What you have witnest is the hunting skills of a WANTABIE with no concern or respect for animal life.
I'm thinking maybe give the weapons to the critters and let them do some management on the hunting population???? WHAT YA THINK????
We have in this state a permitts availible for land owners that have crops that the deer are getting into I'm sorounded by chrismas tree growers and they just kill and let a lot of their kill justlay for the coyotes. NY'S way of down sizing the deer population, And ya have the road hunters, and the one that can't read posters.
Well I got to stop typing as I'm getting madder by the word.
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Edited by - big dick on 12/12/2002 09:40:09

Edited by - big dick on 12/12/2002 09:50:09

34 years ago when I started deer hunting I heard 5 shots close by. Sounded like someone opened up with an autoloader. About two hours later a man I knew asked me if I heard the shots. I said yes of course. He said that some idiot from NYC had been invited to hunt by the landowner. The idiot had pumped 5 12ga rounds into a button buck. Of course at the time only deer with antlers longer than 3" were legal. They just left it there.

The people we are discussing now act the same as the people back then. This isn't a new problem. I remember times when it wasn't safe to hunt that property because of those invited guests. I couldn't complain because the landowner was a supervisor in the plant where my dad worked.

It is a crying shame that we who hunt because we love the outdoors are painted with the same brush as those who only want to kill to satisfy their egos.

Sorry to hear of all of this going on, but really, ya had to see it coming. 900,000 doe tags in PA. That is "brown it's down" mentality. On the other hand, you now have 3 points or better for bucks. "game management theory". These two sides clash, and is why you see this problem. Those with the "brown it's down" mentality are not going to change, they see a deer, it goes down, and then they check to see if it's legal afterwards. I don't agree with it, but it's the way it happens. The only way we can stop this from happening in the future is through education. Teach the next generation that they do not HAVE to go out and shoot ONLY a trophy deer, for otherwise they are not true "sportsmen". This mentality has been passed down for many generations, and need to be changed back. Teach them that ANY deer is a trophy, not just the 180-class 10 point. This will instill pride in hunters that the harvest is not for the trophy alone, but for the meat they can share with their family. Thankfully certain hunting-related TV shows are realizing this, and are now showing more "management hunts" where they takes does and lesser bucks. Our ancestors would puke if they saw the waste and carnage going on with the hunting society of today, and these "hack" hunters must be taught that this senseless slaughter of animals that could perfectly well feed many hungry people in our country is just plain shameful. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

Pinwheel12, Excellent reply...adding that everyone should turn in all unlawful behavior.

PAhunterJen, at this point the only coarse action to take is to call the Game Comm and hope they send someone out to help recover the animal or at least arrest anyone on that property possessing that untug deer.

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