I was never as radical with my hatred toward the game commission as you are but I had serious reservations about the whole deal at one time.I agued with Dick relentlessly about alot of different things.That is until Igot to spend a few days with him out in the field.It didn't take longto realize how dedicated and knowledgable he really is.I thought I had him stumped a few times about different things.One time in particular I found a big areas with unreal oak regeneration.You see,I didn't want to believe the deer were as destructive aswe were being told.Dick met me on his time to look at the spot and explained exactly why he thought the oak regeneration was so good in this area.I didn't take his word for it so took a forester from PSU,DCNR and the US forest service to check it out.They all pretty much echoed was Dick had to say.The man works hand in hand with some of the most knowledgable experts around.His land manager is second to none when it comes to deer and the habitat.Dick can identify just about every plant in the woods and he's directly involved in gathering all kinds of biological data.He's far more than just a law enforcement officer.On top of that he also consistantly kills deer on public land where supposedly none exist.You're way off base trying to discredit the man.

Crazy Horse,
Tell me ,if you would: WHO would you believe on the habitat condtions, deer impact,etc. that have been discussed here???
Penn State Univ., U.S. forresters and biologists and the like don't seem to have any credibility to you...Does the USP have any qualified persons that you can consult???
I'm sure if they did they would have spoken up by now.

Don't dodge this question..I really want to know.

Are you kidding me.Part of the basis for their lawsuit was that mountain lions were having a dramatic effect on deer population in 2G.They also claimed the forestry industry wanted the deer herd reduced because of all the damage deer were doing to the trees by pawing them with their hooves.Anyone with three working brain cells could have come up with something better than that.They have noting but a bunch of baseless conspiracy theories with no facts to back them up.They continually harp on acid rain as the leading factor for the deterioration of the habitat but they can't explain why oak grows when you fence the deer out and the soil conditions are the same inside the fence as they are outside.

Doug,
I'm just curious to know if there is anyone that the USP consults for ANY kind of FACTUAL or SCIENTIFICinformation.

Does the USP now consider degreed professionals to have standing in the debate?

John, you have said some off the wall things on these threads in the past, but this is really mind blowing. I got to meet RSB this past deer season and he's a stand up guy. He helped out my cousin who got into a situation with a deer he had killed. Anyway, you take at his word ( distorted to your meetagenda) Mr.Ali who had no idea the number of members dropping out,but then want us to believe that Mr. Boddenhorn isn't qualified on this issue.Your bias is really getting in the way of reasonable thought.

I've tried to make this point also ,I am one the line between 1a & 1b and the habitat isn't a problem ,car accidents are. The increase accident rate is because of more drivers not more deer,but either way the doe slaughter continues , on public land they get hit hard and more private land gets posted each year. There needs to be a happy medium some where but since neither side will give at all the fights continue.
The G.C. needs the support of hunters to survive ,and hunters need the G.C. to survive but since both sides think the others are not worth dealing with the stand off will continue

My Oh My, I didn't realize that we were talking about the percentage of unsatisfied hunter's again. WE ARE NOT.
I was speaking in terms of the habitat, deer impacp on the habitat, regrowth,etc,etc.
I directed the question to Crazy Horse..who r u?

And no, Mr.ALi is not a biologist,forrester or the like.
Iknow that. And his comments do not cover this subject.
But this is more spin by u.

I WANT CRAZY HORSE TO ANSWER...Who is your qualified resource ,if any, that can tell me that Game Biologists,Penn State Univ,U.S. Forresters, and lets throw in the DCNR. are wrong on these issues of the habitat and related issues.

I was asking CH if the USP now feels that degreed persons have standing in the issues at hand. If they do, why is the USP doing its best to discredit the degreed professionals in the PGC and DCNR?

It appears that Mr. Bodenhorn is not "degreed" and therefore his "opinions" matter little, if at all. So, if that is the case, how can CH's or the USP's opinions have any relevancy?

I'd say it's just about time to lock this baby down!![8D]